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post #601 of 734
6/8/09 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by nc8000 View Post
Which is the reason why there is no LA5000
As far as I understand it, the stock AH-D2000 and AH-D5000 are identical except for the wooden ear-cups. Thus, it wouldn't make any sense to buy the more expensive AH-D5000 if you were going to have markl replace the earcups and transform them into an 'LA-5000'.
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post #602 of 734
6/8/09 at 12:46pm
Exactly (well the D5000 cable is also different and much better than the D2000).
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post #603 of 734
6/8/09 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by nc8000 View Post
Exactly (well the D5000 cable is also different and much better than the D2000).
Indeed, but as Lawton Audio's LA-series doesn't use stock cables (they include the Jena-cable), this difference wouldn't apply. BTW, did you finally sell your LA-2000's as I believe you mentioned on Hifi4all?
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post #604 of 734
6/8/09 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by alrmad View Post
Indeed, but as Lawton Audio's LA-series doesn't use stock cables (they include the Jena-cable), this difference wouldn't apply. BTW, did you finally sell your LA-2000's as I believe you mentioned on Hifi4all?
No but they also don't use the stock cups .

I traded them plus cash for a set of brand new Edition8 which I should receive in about 3 weeks time.
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post #605 of 734
6/8/09 at 7:33pm
Thread Starter 
Hi guys,
Yes, in general there would be no point in a LA5000, unless you are already a D5000 owner and want us to trick your existing headphone out to the max (which we have done for several people). However, if you don't already own a Denon and are starting from scratch, you can save yourself $200 by going with a D2000 as your base phone. To make an LA2000, we discard the two things that distinguish the D2000 from the D5000 anyway (cups and cables).

As someone mentioned, the D2000 stock cable is poor, but the D5000/D7000 stock cable is well-known around here to be quite good for a stock cable. We used to sell them to DIY-ers to put on their own phones but demand was too high and supply too low so they are now reserved for folks getting their D2000's mod-ed by us with custom cups and markl Mod. If you want a LA2000 "light", with excellent D5000 or D7000 stock cables, it's still cheaper to buy these from us than to send a D5000 to be modified. Plus, we can shorten the stock cable to any length you want and we add a nice Neutrik jack, too. Cheers.
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post #606 of 734
6/14/09 at 10:09pm
Questions questions..
Which one do I need to use to get the best SQ? The Dynamat Original or the Dynamat Extreme?
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post #607 of 734
6/14/09 at 10:22pm
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Originally Posted by Bonthouse View Post
Questions questions..
Which one do I need to use to get the best SQ? The Dynamat Original or the Dynamat Extreme?
I'm not Markl, so I may not be the best person to answer this question.

In my experience, the Original Dynamat dampens more of the sound, which may suite some more than others. The biggest trade-off is increased weight. I myself prefer the Extreme, because the Original kills too much bass for my tastes. I'm a bit of a bass-head, and Extreme offers enough punch while still leaving enough quantity to satisfy my desires.
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post #608 of 734
6/14/09 at 11:40pm
I have a markl5000 and a stock d7000 - the 7000 is going in for modding - the 5000 smokes it badly in every category except sensitivity *about 1/5 turn on my amp more sensitive*

I might do it myself, but I dont want to screw it up permanently.

The really noticeable thing is between the 2 is when cranked up - the modded one handles it and stays super clean, the 7000 gets muddled with the bass fighting everything - at low volumes or easy music - it doesnt really come out.

I also might just sell the 7000 and get a LA 2000. I am not kidding in the slightest bit.
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post #609 of 734
6/15/09 at 1:06am
I would keep the D7000 and just markl mod it. no cups no cable.

but my future d2000/d5000 will get the works
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post #610 of 734
6/15/09 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by No_One411 View Post
I'm not Markl, so I may not be the best person to answer this question.

In my experience, the Original Dynamat dampens more of the sound, which may suite some more than others. The biggest trade-off is increased weight. I myself prefer the Extreme, because the Original kills too much bass for my tastes. I'm a bit of a bass-head, and Extreme offers enough punch while still leaving enough quantity to satisfy my desires.
Superthanks for the answer! I'll get some Dynamat Extreme for some extreme eargasms!
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post #611 of 734
6/15/09 at 2:53pm
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Dynamat Extreme for D5000. However, the Dynamat Extreme is too thick and heavy for the D7000 (and D2000 if you keep the stock plastic cups); we use a lighter and slightly more maleable compouund on the D7000 (proprietary, sorry).
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post #612 of 734
7/2/09 at 1:10pm
i am very impressed. you should work for denon lol
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post #613 of 734
8/14/09 at 9:53pm
I wouldnt be suprised if he was contacted. Markl I am curious as to your position on the J-Money Pads, and are these enough of the same as yours to just need dampening on a stock D7K?
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post #614 of 734
8/14/09 at 10:59pm
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I wouldnt be suprised if he was contacted.
I'd be extremely surprised; if Denon don't know how to deal with resonance issues on there very own headphones then they shouldn't be building them.
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post #615 of 734
8/14/09 at 11:17pm
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I'd be extremely surprised; if Denon don't know how to deal with resonance issues on there very own headphones then they shouldn't be building them.
I don't think it's quit that simple. Denon is known for their consumer electronics first and foremost, but their headphones are remarkably good. So that tells me that the engineers that designed them knew what they were doing. But all engineers are not free to design the best they can (unless they work for Bugatti). They are almost always told "design the best you can....within these budget constraints".

Many love the D7000 right out of the box and don't feel that they have "resonance issues". But from a purely economic perspective, Mr. Lawtons mods are fairly labor-intensive, which adds to overhead significantly and are likely cost prohibative to Denon. I suspect Denon is very happy to have Lawton Audio doing exactly what they're doing since the company probably generates more sales for them.
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