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post #31 of 97
Thanks for a nice review stan, I've yet to hear the V6 but after reading your impressions I'm getting a pretty good picture of how they would sound as I have the D66. There's just one thing I found surprising though that you experienced with the Eggos:

"The low end seems to be lacking. What bass is there seems to be a muddled type of incoherent sound."

I agree that the bass of D66 is a bit weaker than what I would consider neutral, but I don't perceive it as muddled or incoherent. I've a couple of songs with fairly intricate bass that I listen to with D66 and I find the separation of different bass frequencies pretty good, but as it's a bit weak you won't hear it that clearly.
post #32 of 97
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Originally posted by TMC
Thanks for a nice review stan, I've yet to hear the V6 but after reading your impressions I'm getting a pretty good picture of how they would sound as I have the D66. There's just one thing I found surprising though that you experienced with the Eggos:

"The low end seems to be lacking. What bass is there seems to be a muddled type of incoherent sound."

I agree that the bass of D66 is a bit weaker than what I would consider neutral, but I don't perceive it as muddled or incoherent. I've a couple of songs with fairly intricate bass that I listen to with D66 and I find the separation of different bass frequencies pretty good, but as it's a bit weak you won't hear it that clearly.
I disagree that the D-66 (if it's the same as the D-77) "lacks bass". It simply has less bass than the exggerated bass of the V6.
post #33 of 97

Re: Re: Re: MDR-V6 VS. D66 Eggo (long comparison)

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Originally posted by stan23
Hi Ozric-

it seems you and I share similiar assessments of the Eggo, but ended up not completely liking them for different reasons

In the V6 case, I don't think the bass extension ever brought up the mids. It was like you were standing in front of 2 tiny satellite speakers and 2 15" subwoofers driving them. Something in the mid region was just not there. I am keeping the Eggos, cause I do truly enjoy them for what they are. I surprise myself when i'm at the end of my playlist and I didn't pick apart at my music.. I love them for that fact. They are IMO one of the better portables.. If the Grado SR40s folded and were more portable with less sound leakage, it would be an interesting competitor as well.
The V6 is not really flat, so it's not fair to compare the D-66 to it as though it were a reference.
post #34 of 97
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Originally posted by Mike Scarpitti
I disagree that the D-66 (if it's the same as the D-77) "lacks bass". It simply has less bass than the exggerated bass of the V6.
Since the D66 doesn't seem to be the same as D77, I guess you can't really disagree.
post #35 of 97
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Originally posted by Steve999
Awesome, I loved the comparison. Thanks! Definitely dead-on. Nothing to disagree with there. And very entertaining.
First of all, very nice write up. Thank you Stan that was informative and enjoyable. And thanks for everyone else's comments, too.

In reference to the above quote: Steve999, I was a little suprised that you thought Stan was dead-on. While for the most part I think you and Stan agree on the profile of the D66 (and me, too), I had thought that, like me, you were under the impression that the low bass of the D66 was quite clear and tight, but that the hole was in the upper bass or possibly (IMO) in the lower midrange. You even wrote how you eq'ed to compensate for this. Maybe I'm playing with semantics, here.
post #36 of 97
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Originally posted by TMC
Since the D66 doesn't seem to be the same as D77, I guess you can't really disagree.
The overall sound balance would likely be the same, even if the diaphragm material is different. The diaphragm size and magnetic structure appear to be the same.
post #37 of 97

Re: Re: MDR-V6 VS. D66 Eggo (long comparison)

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Originally posted by Ozric

However, sometimes they sounded echoey with certain kinds of music (primarily acoustic jazz ensembles).
I would agree with this assesment. However, I would use the term boxy.
post #38 of 97
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Originally posted by Mike Scarpitti
The overall sound balance would likely be the same, even if the diaphragm material is different. The diaphragm size and magnetic structure appear to be the same.
Too much guessing and assuming for my being comfortable with it. I thought you said different materials of the diaphragm has different sonic qualities? You really should have an opinion after you've actually heard the headphones, not after hearing a pair you guess is about the same.
post #39 of 97
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Originally posted by TMC
Too much guessing and assuming for my being comfortable with it. I thought you said different materials of the diaphragm has different sonic qualities? You really should have an opinion after you've actually heard the headphones, not after hearing a pair you guess is about the same.
"The overall sound balance" as described by those who have the D-66 sounds identical to how I would describe my D-77. The most likely difference in sound would be the amount of detail and perceived "speed" that the amorphous diamond provides. There is no doubt, however, as to what the V6 sounds like, as I own one.
post #40 of 97

Re: Re: Re: MDR-V6 VS. D66 Eggo (long comparison)

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Originally posted by erikzen
I would agree with this assesment. However, I would use the term boxy.
Yes, and the "vent" is I think responsible. Stuff some cotton into the chamber to reduce this.
post #41 of 97
Erikzen --

Well, I don't like to nitpick at such fine work as Stan's. I allow a good margin for differences in ears and differences in subjective opinion, too. I suppose Stan's overall conclusion or impression was dead-on to me (assuming no access to EQ), notwithstanding a particular point here and there. How's that for double-talk?

However, as you say, yes, I do hear low bass on the eggos, it gets down to where it's as close to a feeling as a sound. I do think the hole is higher up than the low bass.

And I also agree with another post that the bass of the eggos is not muddled. If you listen, the pitches through the range of an acoustic bass are clear and discernable, though a little on the light side.

And I'd add I have tried to EQ the D66 eggos up a couple of db's at about 120 hertz and at 240 hertz. I think I actually prefer it at 120hz. Either way, you get more warmth. At 120 hertz you get oomph but keep that clean feeling. At 240 hertz you get less oomph and more warmth. An interesting exercise. I like to refer to j-curve's wonderful graphs when I do such things.... he's plotted both the V6s and D66s for us. I've found I could warm up the V6s up a little too -- there, 240hz is definitely where the V6s need help.

I also feel that the D66s may be a little lacking in the highest highs compared to the V6s.

So, in short, you're right, IMHO. But I have nothing to offer of the overall usefulness and quality of Stan's review.

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Originally posted by erikzen
In reference to the above quote: Steve999, I was a little suprised that you thought Stan was dead-on. While for the most part I think you and Stan agree on the profile of the D66 (and me, too), I had thought that, like me, you were under the impression that the low bass of the D66 was quite clear and tight, but that the hole was in the upper bass or possibly (IMO) in the lower midrange. You even wrote how you eq'ed to compensate for this.
post #42 of 97
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Originally posted by Steve999
Erikzen --


And I also agree with another post that the bass of the eggos is not muddled. If you listen, the pitches through the range of an acoustic bass are clear and discernable, though a little on the light side.
Try an album like the recent release from Dino Saluzzi, "Responsorium" on ECM. I've been listening to this a lot recently, and the bass is downright superb with my D-77's. I have not heard it with the V-6, however.

ECM recordings are state of the art.
post #43 of 97
Steve999, how does the D66 compare against the 580 and the 497s? I had the 497s a while ago but sold them so I can't clearly recall what they sounded like. I am pretty sure I would still prefer the D66 sound more though (not to mention the shorter cord and comfort for portable use).


on a side note, has anyone looked at the D66 and HD580 response curves that jcurve posted a while back? that may help confirm where the hole is.
post #44 of 97
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on a side note, has anyone looked at the D66 and HD580 response curves that jcurve posted a while back? that may help confirm where the hole is. [/B]
I just looked at the curves, and it's clear that the V6 has a rather large bass peak, and a smaller lower treble peak, as I described. The D-66 curve looks flatter.
post #45 of 97
[Edit -- I changed my mind. The HD497s, D66s and V6s are all in the same league for overall sound quality, IMHO. The HD497s are definitely darker and warmer than either the eggos or V6s.]

Quite honestly, for my ears, based purely on sound, I'd take either the Senn HD497s or the HD580s over either the the eggos or the V6s in a heartbeat. It's no contest to my ears. The V6s and eggos are closed and portable and good and have a unique sound, that's their niche, IMHO.

I have looked at j-cuve's graphs of the D66 eggos. The eggo is actually pretty flat, not as flat as the HD580s, of course, since that was j-curve's "flat" point of reference. But the D66 eggos are pretty darn flat compared to most of the other tested headphones. Much, much flatter than the HD497s, BTW. The HD497s sound a lot better to my ears than the graph looks to my eyes. If I recall, the eggos do have a dip, but not a large dip, in the 240 hz range, and are actually around flat but on their way down at 120 hz, but I could be wrong on this as I am going purely by memory.

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Originally posted by PodMan
Steve999, how does the D66 compare against the 580 and the 497s? I had the 497s a while ago but sold them so I can't clearly recall what they sounded like.

on a side note, has anyone looked at the D66 and HD580 response curves that jcurve posted a while back? that may help confirm where the hole is.
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