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post #31 of 67
It's probably a result of the amazing advance that the pico is.
post #32 of 67
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CKIII
Mad EAR
Pimeta
HeadFive

Those are the home based amps that pop immediately to mind. I also owned the MusicHall 25.2 with three of those as the source. Its hard for me to separate the amp from the DAC. I only use the Predator via USB. As an overall package, I am happy.
Nope. My Predator trounces my HeadFive and my Maxed Pimeta (sold Pimeta after that). However, my Darkvoice 336i with RCA grey glass vt-231 and Jan CRC RCA 6AS7G cost 400 bucks after shipping for everything and it does beat the predator but has no DAC.
post #33 of 67
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Nope. My Predator trounces my HeadFive and my Maxed Pimeta (sold Pimeta after that). However, my Darkvoice 336i with RCA grey glass vt-231 and Jan CRC RCA 6AS7G cost 400 bucks after shipping for everything and it does beat the predator but has no DAC.
The ones are mentioned do not sound as good to the Predator to me.
post #34 of 67
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an m3 with a deep cycle marine battery for a power supply
LOL, either option is certainly more portable.


-Ed
post #35 of 67
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Originally Posted by Asr View Post
You do know that power output is generally inversely related to battery life, right? The longer that equivalent batteries run in different amps, typically the lesser output power is in the longer-running amp. But then again, the Predator and the Pico use different batteries. And Justin confirmed somewhere that the Pico has the same output power as the AE-2, which is 500 mW.
Yeah, the Pico has more power output than the Predator.

That said, given a choice, I'd rather have less power output and more battery life with the Pico's USB DAC, since I mostly listen to IEM's with my Pico. The 20 hour battery life is a bit too short for my use. I have to remember to charge it every day, or I sometimes end up running out of power the next day or two. But it's better for Li Ion batteries to top them off more often rather than a full cycle.

-Ed
post #36 of 67
Well, I am happy to have a little less power for the sound + battery lifeof the Predator. The DV336i has more than enough power, but it should as it has AC power and tubes behind it.

But, my Meier HeadFive and Meier HA-1 desktop amps both have AC power behind them and they don't seem to have any more power behind them than the Predator. Leaves me more impressed with Predator all the time.
post #37 of 67

op-amps...

Ignor the post.
Sorry.
Ray Samuels
post #38 of 67
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Originally Posted by Ray Samuels View Post
Both chips, in the Predator & the Pico, have the same output current.
Ray Samuels
This would be significant if they were being fed the same voltage. But the pico is running at twice the voltage, so has more power available.
post #39 of 67
Thread Starter 
Performance, battery life, lifetime warranty, I have fallen off the fence on the side of the Predator.

Thanks for all your input, much appreciated.
post #40 of 67
sorry to ressurect a semi-dead thread, but i was wondering if someone could help clear this up for me

i'm sold on either of the two, (not quite at the deciding stage)

what i'd like to know is how the usb dac is used. i assume it's for computer use only, for connecting to a usb host. does it mount as an external sound card?

my second question: are there adapters that'll give this a standard (coax) spdif input? i don't use a computer as a primary source, so the lack of a spdif input is a bit of a turnoff

is there any reasoning behind not including say a 3.5mm minijack optical or coax input, or offering it as an alternate version?
post #41 of 67
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Originally Posted by sb61g2 View Post
sorry to ressurect a semi-dead thread, but i was wondering if someone could help clear this up for me

i'm sold on either of the two, (not quite at the deciding stage)

what i'd like to know is how the usb dac is used. i assume it's for computer use only, for connecting to a usb host. does it mount as an external sound card?
Both the predator and the pico act as external soundcards using the usb connection, or can be used as headphone amps only.

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my second question: are there adapters that'll give this a standard (coax) spdif input? i don't use a computer as a primary source, so the lack of a spdif input is a bit of a turnoff
I don't recall ever seeing it that way though I have a usb to coax so it is perhaps possible to do.

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is there any reasoning behind not including say a 3.5mm minijack optical or coax input, or offering it as an alternate version?
Price, complexity and target audience. Just as you would not include a dac in every headphone amp. There are some dac/amps that have both usb & coax such as the Ibasso D1 - not everyone wanted the extra expense of having all the input options so the new Ibasso D2 has usb and no coax.
post #42 of 67
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Originally Posted by sb61g2 View Post
sorry to ressurect a semi-dead thread, but i was wondering if someone could help clear this up for me

i'm sold on either of the two, (not quite at the deciding stage)

what i'd like to know is how the usb dac is used. i assume it's for computer use only, for connecting to a usb host. does it mount as an external sound card?

my second question: are there adapters that'll give this a standard (coax) spdif input? i don't use a computer as a primary source, so the lack of a spdif input is a bit of a turnoff

is there any reasoning behind not including say a 3.5mm minijack optical or coax input, or offering it as an alternate version?
The target audience and size (portable laptop and UMPC users) dictated USB DAC only. If you are not one of those people that these products target, you could consider the HR MicroDAC portable, or iBasso D1 if you need portables with optical and coax inputs.

There are others that require a little work to make fully portable - wai wai valve company sells a small optical/coax/usb DAC that comes with a plug to add your own battery pack, the DIY monica DAC is adaptable to optical but the kit doesn't come that way, I don't recall if the HR desktop portable comes with an optional DAC like other amps they sell, etc...

Here is a little review I did on a variety of USB DAC/Amps that you might be interested in, and the review continues after the first post. http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f5/min...-lyrix-306883/
post #43 of 67
Is anyone using predator as a USB DAC + preamp to feed into bigger home amps?
if so, any opinions and impressions will be greatly appreciated.
post #44 of 67
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Originally Posted by Romanee View Post
You may find this hard to believe, since you like your Predator so much already -- but at 400 hours, compared to 1000+ hours, the Predator sounds a bit noisy, upper-mid emphasized, bass-lean and slightly veiled.

You will be very happily surprised at how much your amp will continue to improve. Well, maybe not so surprised if you've read jamato8's ongoing reports on the developments of his amp.

Cheers.
My brand-new Predator sounds pretty stinkin' good after seven minutes (listening to Guitarra Celtica by Andrew White, WMA download from Linn Records converted to Apple Lossless, hooked to the USB port on a MacBook using a Kimber cable and driving UE triple-fis), so I guess I have a lot to look forward to.
post #45 of 67
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Originally Posted by burnspbesq View Post
My brand-new Predator sounds pretty stinkin' good after seven minutes (listening to Guitarra Celtica by Andrew White, WMA download from Linn Records converted to Apple Lossless, hooked to the USB port on a MacBook using a Kimber cable and driving UE triple-fis), so I guess I have a lot to look forward to.
Yep.
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