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post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by Matteman View Post
Headphone listening can never make a live organ justice of course, but I'll second that the GS-1000 really make those deepest organ notes come to life.
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There's no particular headphone which I find particularly spectacular with the organ. The sub-bass rumble is just missing. On the other hand, a decent pair of full range floorstanding speakers (eg 8"+ woofers) will get you 80% there. Add in a couple massive subwoofers and you'll be 90%+ provided the recording is very good.
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by milkpowder View Post
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There's no particular headphone which I find particularly spectacular with the organ. The sub-bass rumble is just missing. On the other hand, a decent pair of full range floorstanding speakers (eg 8"+ woofers) will get you 80% there. Add in a couple massive subwoofers and you'll be 90%+ provided the recording is very good.
Agreed in part. Having heard live organ music (in a cathedral! In Austria!),I contend that the pipe organ is the very historic originator of Big Bass. That said, I find my SR80s do a much better job with Bach than my Senns. With the Grados, the recording actually feels... spacious, in spite of the somewhat underwhelming soundstage of the SR80s.
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post
GS1000, try it.
Absolutely agree
post #19 of 24
I love Organ music. I played Organ, although some time ago. My Music Teacher was Organ player on a Cathedral. I have many many hours of live organ music.

Best Organ I've ever heard (from headphones) came from Grado PS-1s. GS-1s would be the second one perhaps. You would think that GS-1s would be better having more soundstage but it is not true. PS-1 timbre is closer to those metallic tubes for whatever reason. That's my impression.

SR and RS line of Grados are not that great compared with the previous ones. They are quite far behind. Flats helps with the bass but you lose some airiness (is that a word?) as trade-off.

Senns HD somewhat lack bite and sparkle of those metallic tubes. They sound more veiled than usual with this kind of music.

L3000 should be a good candidate on the paper and goes deeper than anything else but the sound is quite "closed" and that somehow kills the airy atmosphere of live Organ music.

With Qualia you really feel the vibration of the pipes but timbre is unnatural. Too lean.

R10s are good. Better than you would expect with the right amplification (high SN). K1000 are not that great. Not even an EAR V20 can save them.

Electrostatics are a mixed bag. Senns are quite OK but not great. Stax are better. The O1s are really good and the O2 really great. They go deep without losing much sparkle, especially with KGSS DX, with tubed Stax amps you lose some extension (didn't try SRM-T2 yet).

You might think that big soundstage cans will help a lot but it is not really true. Most organ music has lots of reverberation cues that help to get illusion of space even from cans without that great soundstage, like most Grados. This even works with IEMS. UE10s are quite good too, although I wouldn't mind deeper bass there. If you want soundstage on IEMs your best bet are binaural recordings, then most organ music records.

All this IMHO. I agree with milkpowder that headphones can't compete with a speaker system here, but at least that would be my rating considering the limitations of any headphone in this regard. Cheers.
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
L3000 should be a good candidate on the paper and goes deeper than anything else but the sound is quite "closed" and that somehow kills the airy atmosphere of live Organ music.
Totally agree, the GS-1000 win this contest hands down
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post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by Blackmore View Post
GS1000, try it.
Do you re-cable your headphone or just using normal grado cab ???
I'm considering buying one as well
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by tev View Post
A friend of mine who is a classical church musician and organ fanatic has a pair GS1000's. He claims they are the only headphone he's tried that really captures the bigness of a live organ. That's saying a alot.
Damn, I'm sold!

But I would imagine that when it comes to rendering the deep rumble part of church organs, the amp matters at least as much as do the headphones. Perhaps even more.
post #24 of 24

I know this is an old thread, but I have thank you all for posting about this. I hope also that it will help other readers looking for headphones for organ music.

 

I listen to relatively little rock music, so I didn't consider Grados -- until I read this thread. Then one night, I had great fun listening to Bach's toccatas and fugues on KSC75 amped. That tipped me off to the possibility that you were right about Grados for organ. I listen to Bach's organ pieces often enough to justify buying a pair for that. So I took off work early one afternoon to demo the SR series for several hours at nearby store.

 

I was so impressed with them. They're distorted just right for this treble-rich music. Moreover, they're so immediately involving. After comparing the five SRs, I decided that I enjoy the overpowering 80i the most for organ and the second most for rock (the opposite is true of the speedy 225i).

 

Thanks guys!

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