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EMU 0404 USB Modding FINISHED!

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I want to mod the 0404 USB like they have been doing for x-fi's and the PCI EMU boards for years. There's pictures in the computer source thread of the internals. I have 12 ad8599's coming as samples from Analog Devices as I'm in university still. From the look of it, this thing has 11 opamps, not sure if I need to even replace all of them but I'm getting 12 just to be safe. I also want to replace capacitors, this is where I need the most help. I'm not sure which ones to replace, and if all of them (I think theres about 16 of them), I'm not quite sure which types to use (same specs or higher?) and whether to use different ones for the power stage (not quite sure how to identify which caps are for audio or power at this point, either).

So far, I've found a fairly easy mod that I did today that noticeable improves the sound, it's smoother and dare I say a bit more fast and dynamic and even removes most of my background noise. I replaced the wall wart power supply with a linear regulated, higher power one:

Jameco Electronics Power Supplies & Wall Adapters: VARIOUS : DV51AAT

the plug needs to be replaced with another size though (1.7mm ID x 4mm OD):

DC Conn 1.7mm X 4.0mm R/A power cord - Ace Electronics

Thanks for all your help!
post #2 of 50
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BUMP!
post #3 of 50
Bump to see if anyone else has done this and had similar results....

Any other specific ideas about alternate power (preferably right off the shelf and not involving soldering?)
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Thread Starter 
DONE:

-Replaced PSU with linear regulated version [stated from 1st post]

-Op-amp rolled 3x AD8599's for headphone and line-out stage, I accidentally ripped out a few legs so I bypassed them with solid silver wire outfitted with teflon tubing

-Replaced analog capacitors with Blackgate FK Series (2x 22uF/16V) for headphone and C series (5x 47uF/50V + 2x 10uF/50V) for line-out

-Replaced power capacitor with large FK series 220uF/100V

the caps were so large it had to be put it in like so (looks like a bouquet of capacitors; nerd romance lol), but it still sounds awesome:







post #5 of 50
my goodness i'm somewhat shocked and amazed at the same time
post #6 of 50
Hahah, I like the bouquet. So many questions:

Does the top fit back on?

How did you choose the capacitor values (are they direct replacements)?

What's going on with the jumper wires?

Do you have a picture of the new power supply?

Did you do any SQ comparisons along the way, or was it one big upgrade?

Do you have any pre/post SQ comparisons to share yet?
post #7 of 50
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Originally Posted by infinitesymphony View Post
Hahah, I like the bouquet. So many questions:

Does the top fit back on?

How did you choose the capacitor values (are they direct replacements)?

What's going on with the jumper wires?

Do you have a picture of the new power supply?

Did you do any SQ comparisons along the way, or was it one big upgrade?

Do you have any pre/post SQ comparisons to share yet?

lol yeah the top fits back on, with exactly enough room!

for the large cap I used the largest capacity I could fit from the FK series, the headphones caps (2) were direct replacements, the line-out caps were C series for decoupling and are the same values except the V are much higher (which doesn't harm it in anyway).

the jumper wires are because I ripped some pads out while trying to remove the old op-amps (they op amp legs so small and hard to cut).

I did the power supply upgrade first, then everything else at the same time later in one large soldering job. I did use higher uF blackgate FK series on the line-out's at first but it sounded too dark (although very rich) so I opted for the stock values. I no longer hear any noise in the background either, like when nothing is playing there is no sound at all anymore.

after about 24 hrs of playback, there were a few differences in RMAA graphs but not much as the EMU 0404 USB already had excellent characteristics from stock, however the sound is quite the improvement!! the head-phone out sounds really nice now (instantly notice the improvement) to the point where I find myself using headphones more and more (which also has to do with me liking to hear music at louder volumes which isn't always a good idea with speakers).

You can definitely hear the characteristics described for the AD8599, as in it brings the sound forward, including those subtle sounds with great detail; definitely smoother and warmer than the stock nj2068's. How much warmth I couldn't tell you as I put the blackgates in at the same time.

As for a picture of the power supply, it's not that appealing, it's just looks like a shrink wrapped connection of the two cables, the rest is identical to the pictures from the websites I linked on the first post:



Oh, and btw, what is listening fatigue?
post #8 of 50
If anyone is interested in the RMAA loopback test results of the E-MU 0404 USB, M-Audio Firewire Audiophile and M-Audio Transit USB sound interfaces (and a few headphone amps and other devices), you can find them here:

RMAA Results

The sound cards are all in stock, unmodified condition. The E-MU 0404 USB does indeed measure very, very well, with the exception of its headphone output. It's fine with high-impedance loads, but suffers significantly when faced with a low-Z load. Its output level dropped 0.7dB going from unloaded to 330Ω load, and drops 5.5dB more when loaded with 33Ω. The RMAA graphs don't show this because they are "normalized", but you do see a significant increase of THD, IMD and stereo crosstalk. This is indicative of high output impedance and lack of adequate current drive capability.
post #9 of 50
Listening fatigue happens when you listen to music for too long. Basically, when your ears start to get sore and stuff starts to sound the same. Sound signatures that emphasize treble brightness tend to cause fatigue faster than others.

amb, what's your opinion of the 0404 USB's SQ and design?
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Originally Posted by infinitesymphony View Post
Listening fatigue happens when you listen to music for too long. Basically, when your ears start to get sore and stuff starts to sound the same. Sound signatures that emphasize treble brightness tend to cause fatigue faster than others.

amb, what's your opinion of the 0404 USB's SQ and design?
LOOOL yeah I know, I was just being sarcastic because I don't recall getting it anymore
post #11 of 50
Gooootcha.
post #12 of 50
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Originally Posted by infinitesymphony View Post
amb, what's your opinion of the 0404 USB's SQ and design?
My 0404 USB is brand new and I haven't really spent enough time listening to it yet to form an opinion, but it does measure superbly as a DAC, ADC and external sound card. Actually, for its price it's beyond reproach. It is amongst the best measurements I've seen, at least as far as RMAA goes.

The balanced input/output capability is also very nice (which, is the primary reason why I bought one). The internal headphone amp section is good, but probably no match for a standalone hgh-quality headphone amp. It appears that it doesn't have the "guts" of the better headphone amps in terms of output current and voltage swing. With less demanding headphones it should be just fine, however.

There is limited mixing/routing capability available, unlike the M-Audio Firewire Audiophile which I also have. However the real knobs and buttons on the unit are a welcome feature, even though it is ultimately limited by them in terms of flexibility. One nice thing is the "Direct Monitor" feature which lets you use it as a standalone preamp/headphone amp without even connecting the USB cable to a computer.

The S/PDIF input and output requires a ASIO driver in Windows, but E-MU's own driver does not appear to be ASIO (they show up as DirectSound for playback and MME for recording in RMAA and other audio apps, with no ASIO option available), or at least I haven't figured out how to make the S/PDIF work. I have ASIO4ALL installed but it doesn't seem to do anything for the 0404 USB.
post #13 of 50
foreverzer0, have you compared the sound quality of using the stock wall wart and the linear regulated? How big is the improvement upgrading the wall wart alone?
post #14 of 50
AMB - thanks so much for the technical info that confirms what so many have assumed by listening. I have an additional tech question.....

Is there a difference in quality/specs between the 2 outputs available on the back assuming the use of the balanced out with unbalanced plugs in a an unbalanced set-up? Is it still preferable to use the plugs or is the mini out just as good?

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by senns&nonsense View Post
Is there a difference in quality/specs between the 2 outputs available on the back assuming the use of the balanced out with unbalanced plugs in a an unbalanced set-up? Is it still preferable to use the plugs or is the mini out just as good?
I did not test the mini jack output so I don't know if there is a difference. According to the E-MU docs it would seem that the mini jack is just parallel-connected to the 1/4" phone jack outputs (albeit only in unbalanced), so it should be the same as using a pair of TS 1/4" plugs.
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