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post #31 of 82
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Originally Posted by sahwnfras View Post
Next time you see her give her the windmill, that will give her something to call the cops about.
Thanks for that. I truly LOLed.
post #32 of 82
Be happy, don't worry. Or is it the other way?
post #33 of 82
Another vote for youtube
post #34 of 82
There's got to be some backstage head-fi intrigue as to why so many people were so rude to the OP. Come on, spill the beans, I demand to be entertained!

As for the OP, I can understand why you'd get upset. Bullies always get under my skin as well. I wouldn't have bothered to pursue the issue, other than maybe ask the house management about the policy, and then maybe ask the local post office. But I can't say I would have continued the conversation with the mail carriers.

IF it happened as you say, then regardless of how I woulda done it, you wouldn't be in the wrong. You never said what the police decided when they arrived.

But regardless, there's not much you can do but vent your spleen in an angry letter and maybe do a little youtube action.

It won't change anything, but you'll feel empowered, and we'll be entertained.
post #35 of 82
USPS has always provided the national model for "nonobtrusive service". Mail carriers' hostile reactions to even simple requests are so infamous as to corroborate the bad attitude is systemic. Where do you think the expression "going postal" came from? Complaints have to go through a union grievance procedure that would fry Job's nuts and is uniformly ineffective. It's not worth it. I have had the best results (and I am goal oriented) from sweet talking the hell out of postal workers. And sometimes this doesn't even work. But it works better than a bad rap with your postal carriers until you move. Good luck.
post #36 of 82
another vote for youtube
post #37 of 82
Despite the ineffectiveness of your complaint and the scorn of other head-fiers, I say good on you for sticking up for your self. You don't have to take nonsense from anyone, but almost everyone does and we wish we didn't have to but we feel powerless and laugh at people like you who try to do something about it.

The truth is, without people like you, there would be zero hope for change in the world, as we're sure not going to make it happen...
post #38 of 82
"There's got to be some backstage head-fi intrigue as to why so many people were so rude to the OP."

It's a one sided load of crap and to take it at face value is a stretch of the imagination.

If you've never known a person to- shall we say tell less than the truth or to leave important facts out of the story then you live in a box.

To accept the OP's story at face value is not reasonable and there's another side to the story which we don't know.

It's easy to say all Postal Employees are bad but that's not the reality I know. If you behave and treat them with respect they will reciprocate. Sure I've had issues with Postal Employees but to paint them all with the same broad brush is unreasonable.


Ok Ok- Awe too bad the Post Office Sucks- Feel Better?


Mitch
post #39 of 82
In my building the mail is sometimes late and the mail person is still filling the boxes when I come down. I say "thank you, I'll come back later." The delay in getting my mail doesn't seem to have resulted in it going up in flames or any other dire event.

Once I was even waiting on a check, so I asked "how much longer do think you'll be?" When I came back 15-minutes later my check was there.

If you think your mail service is crummy, then ***** with the carrier. I guarantee you'll be remembered and you box number will be posted on the wall down at the PO. When you move your mail won't be forwarded and unless you move to another zip code your service will NOT improve.

Do waiters spit in your food? Are you sure?

Dave
post #40 of 82
You're right Mitch, but there is a chance that this story is not a load of crap. I have no idea what that chance is and wouldn't like to speculate but still, it is possible.

Maybe the Post chick had a genuine reason to be upset which has nothing to do with the OP, maybe we should feel sorry for her as she's obviously overworked and under pressure. Or maybe (less likely but certainly possible) she's a bicth and needs to be fired. Those people exist too.

All we can do is take the story at face value. It makes no sense to make baseless assumptions and be rude to the OP, unless you know something we don't as Plainsong said?

In any situation there is another side to it that you don't know but it doesn't mean you don'
t act on the info you have available, just because you don't know the "full story" (which is of course, always impossible).

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Originally Posted by braillediver View Post
If you behave and treat them with respect they will reciprocate.

Always? Really! Sure that's not a bit naive? To assume that no-one in the post office is actually just a jerk?

Again, not judging either way, but IF the story is true, as we can only assume it is, I think the responses here are appropriate.
post #41 of 82
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Originally Posted by dcstep View Post
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Yep, that's the decision you have to make! Is it worth sticking up for your self? More often than not, the answer is no. But when it's yes, most of us are to gutless to aren't we? Obviously, by the responses here. What if one day complaining is the right thing to do, and you don't do it? You made the world a worse place.

I concede that most stories like the OPs are 1 sided nonsense. But not always and we don't know for sure. Seems harsh to judge guilty him without any further evidence.
post #42 of 82
I think the USPS has simply re-defined the term "Going Postal" and the OP witnessed it first hand. In the past, when confronted, many postal employees would simply take up arms and shoot up anyone and everyone around them. Now, postal employees are trained to call the police instead of putting a cap in the collective asses of those who "done them wrong". I think it's a good thing.
post #43 of 82
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Originally Posted by stevenkelby View Post
Yep, that's the decision you have to make! Is it worth sticking up for your self? More often than not, the answer is no. But when it's yes, most of us are to gutless to aren't we? Obviously, by the responses here. What if one day complaining is the right thing to do, and you don't do it? You made the world a worse place.

I concede that most stories like the OPs are 1 sided nonsense. But not always and we don't know for sure. Seems harsh to judge guilty him without any further evidence.

There's nothing "gutless" about treating others with respect. The OP never considered that the worker is charged with protecting the mail. If she allows people to pull from open boxes then someone might just come and steal the OP's mail. Maybe she didn't close the boxes because she wasn't finished. To stand there and demand action that will slow completion of the task is at least inconsiderate of the worker and the OP's neighbors. To add insult to injury, he says he's videotaping the incident. I think that'd raise my level of caution, if not ire, to have some bozzo make demands and then start taping me.

Dave
post #44 of 82
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Originally Posted by dcstep View Post
I think that'd raise my level of caution, if not ire, to have some bozzo make demands and then start taping me.

Dave
Without judging the situation, having someone videotape me at any time during any small scale confrontation would do more than raise my level of caution, it'd piss me off to no end. Almost everyone who knows me would say I'm hard to get mad, but that'd do the trick pretty well...

Who knows? Maybe the postal workers had a crappy day and the OP interupted them, demanding to be able to check his mail right away. Sure, the reaction they gave may not have been the nicest, but just walking away and checking your mail later would've solved the issue. It's not about standing up for yourself -- it's also about showing some people who are trying to do their job and who may just be having a rough day some respect.
post #45 of 82
Thread Starter 
digitalmind, I understand that being taped could piss someone off, but I just did it to have some sort of proof of the events. The fact is that if its my word against some nameless USPS workers, I would definitely not get any credibility. I don't care if it pisses them off. It pisses me off to get such unprovoked animosity when I am very polite.

It may not be about standing up for yourself, but it certainly isn't about "showing some people who are trying to do their job and who may just be having a rough day some respect.", as some people on here would like to think. That's a little idealistic. Sure, their job sucks and they may be having a ****ty day but that gives them no right to act all bitchy towards me. If they can be condescending bitches with delusions of grandeur when I am polite and resonable, then I can tape them being bitches and complain about it.

dcstep, your interpretation of what happened is obviously flawed. To imagine that what happened was "some bozzo make demands and then start taping" is hardly what happened. At no point did I act disrespectfully, raise my voice, or speak in a condescending manner. I was quiet, polite, and reasonable with each statement/request that I made.

Okay, I'm going to try and clarify what happened for those who are too confused. Sure, my story may be a "one sided load of crap" as one thoughtful Head-Fi'er noted, but I can assure you that after I explain this thoroughly the incidences in that time period are complete and accurate. Don't believe me, call me a liar, claim that I'm biased, but the fact is that the USPS woman likely does not visit this forum, so I guess you (and myself) will never know how it happened from her point of view. Take it for what it’s worth.

A little background: My building has had the same mailman for twenty years, but towards the end of 2007 he got promoted/transfered/retired or something. Regardless, he is no longer our mailman. He was always friendly, courteous, and kind whenever I spoke with him. More importantly, he was nearly always on time and didn't **** around with my valuable mail and packages.

I live in a twenty-eight story condo building with probably fifteen to twenty units on each floor. Needless to say, there is a lot of mail that arrives at my building. Our mail room has all the mailboxes organized into little sections. There is a master key that unlocks a whole section (say, floors 4-6) at once, which makes all the little locked individual mailbox doors open up like a large door so that all the mail slots are exposed.

In the past, our mailman would open up one section/set of mailboxes, put the mail away for that section, close and lock the section, and then move on to the next section. This was very considerate and convenient for everyone. There weren't loose metal doors all hanging open in the mail room, and someone that we'll say lives on the 4th floor would be able to get their mail that was put away around 1:30 PM instead of waiting until 3 PM when the mailman was finished with the 28th floor. It was very streamlined and I would say that it worked very well.

When packages are delivered to my building, they go straight to a receiving room, which happens to also be the dry cleaners located in the building. They have business hours from 7 AM - 7 PM on weekdays. When a package is delivered for you, the cleaners lady puts a package slip with your unit number and the date that the package was received in a pile. The mail person then picks up those slips and puts it in with the mail. In the end, you check your mail, find a slip, and then bring that slip to the cleaners to pick up your package.

A few months back when we lost our regular mailman, the mail service started to be pretty bad. Mail was never available until the evening, random mail was in the wrong boxes, and packages were erroneously delivered. I digress: In at least two incidences, I had ordered extremely urgent packages which included tickets to sporting events and convention passes that I needed immediately. The last time this happened was in the middle of January. On a Tuesday night, I ordered two passes for a convention that was being held from Friday to Sunday. Knowing that I couldn't risk them being delivered late, I paid for the expensive option of overnight air w/guaranteed delivery by noon. They were sent out on Wednesday and were guaranteed to be delivered by noon on Thursday. On Thursday afternoon, I went down to check the mail, thinking there was a slim chance that either the package was in my mailbox or there was a package slip there. There was nothing there. I asked the doorman if any overnight packages got delivered (sometimes they bring the overnight packages that require signatures to the doorman), and he informed me that nothing was brought to them. I went to the receiving room and asked the woman there if anything had been delivered overnight for me. She said that no packages at all had been delivered to her yet. I emailed the sender and they said that according to the USPS website, it had been delievered. "What?", I thought. I checked the tracking number on the USPS website and the status said "Delivered In Unit" or something like that, but wasn't signed for or anything. I called USPS customer service and asked about my package. The woman that answered the phone was only able to tell me that the package was out for delivery but had not been technically delivered yet. Other than that, she had no information. There was nothing I could do, so I just decided to check the mail later. I came down to the mail room again at around 8 PM. They were just finishing putting the mail away. I checked in my mailbox and there was a smashed/folded/crumpled up overnight envelope crammed into there. The packing slip said it was delivered at 11 AM. Even though this package required a signature for delivery, there was none. From this information, I imagine that the package was brought to the building physically with the rest of the mail, then sat locked up for half a day until the mail people showed up to put it away. This is really unacceptable. I paid a lot of money for guaranteed delivery to me by noon. It was not made available to me until the evening, and to top it off, they mauled the package to make it fit into a tiny mailbox, and there was no signature for delivery for mine/the sender's records.

Now for the story of yesterday:

I got home at 4:30 PM. I asked my doorwoman if the mail was finished yet to which she informed me that the mail was in the building, but someone has yet to show up to put it away and make it accessible to the residents. I was upset about that and I just went up to my apartment. I am expecting a few packages, so I decided to go down around 6:55 PM to see if it was done, so that I would have a chance of being able to pick up my possessions from the receiving room before they closed.

I walked to the mailroom and saw that mail was still being put away.
Me: "Excuse me, is there a chance that I can get my mail?"
USPS1: "No. We'll be done in thirty minutes."
Me: "But the receiving room closes in five minutes and I am expecting a package. I can't pick up my package without the slip in my mailbox."
USPS1: "It's a rule. No one can get their mail until all the mail is done."
(at this point, USPS woman 2 shows up)
Me: "Is it a USPS rule or is it from my building? Our last mailman didn't.."
USPS2: (rudely) "It doesn't matter, it's a rule."
Me: "I understand, but is it a federal law or is it a new policy that my building made?"
USPS2: (condescendingly) "It doesn't matter who made the rule, it's a rule."
(at this point, at least five other people have walked up to get their mail only to back off when they see USPS2 shouting at me)
Me: "Can I have your first names so that I can reference them in my complaint to the USPS?"
USPS2: "No. Our names don't matter"
Me: "Are you refusing to give me your first name for reference?"
(I turn on the video recorder on my mobile)
Me: "Are you refusing to give your first name so I can reference it in my complaint?"
USPS2: (shouting) "Sir, I am calling the police! You are violating a federal employee!"
Me: (taken aback) "What? I was only asking for your first name for my official complaint"
(USPS2 storms out of the mail room presumably to call 911)
(A resident walks up to get his mail)
Resident: "Is the mail done?"
Me: "No. The mail woman is calling the cops on me because I asked for her first name."
Resident: (shouting) "What?! This is ********! We need our mail at a reasonable time. This is ridiculous.."
(he walks away while shouting)
(I walk to the lobby where USPS2 is calling the police)
USPS2: (shouting) "Sir! Stay where you are! Do not move!"
Me: "I'm just waiting for the police, I'm not going to like run away from you or anything.."
USPS2: (shouting) "Stay where you are!"
Me: "I am staying right here. Don't you dare tell me what to do once more."
(she gets on the line with the police)
(I notice that the time has run out on my cell phone awhile ago so I start a new recording)
USPS2: (to police) "Yes, I have an emergency. I have a disgruntled customer that is making me feel threatened.."
(she goes on to tell the police what I am wearing and such while I make note of the time and date in the recording)
USPS2: "Sir, what are you?" (referring to my ethnicity) "I don't want to call you something you're not."
Me: "I am American."
(I'm a third generation US born citizen, but my family had originated from Japan. I was pretty annoyed at this point.)
USPS2: (to police) "He says he's American but if I had to guess, I would say he's Japanese."
(she continues to talk to the police and then tells me to wait there and the police will arrive for me)
Me: "Don't worry, I'll stay right here."
(USPS2 takes out her cell phone)
USPS2: "Yeah, I have a cell phone too."
(she takes her cell phone and physically presses it against mine)
Me: "Don't touch me, please."
USPS2: "You don't touch me."
Me: "I didn't."
(she walks away and starts to shout something that I can't understand)
Me: "Mhmm.. Whatever you say."

I wait for the police for like fifteen minutes or so. They finally arrive and they come up to me and USPS2 and ask what the problem is. I didn't record this for obvious reasons.

(both USPS2 and myself are speaking directly to the officers at this point)
USPS2: "We just trying to deliver the mail. We are federal employees! Then he comes down here and starts harassing us. You know, we just tryin' to deliver the mail and we don't need no disrespect or nothin'."
Me: "I did not harass or disrespect them at all. I just asked for their first names so I can reference it in my complaint."
Cop1: "You don't need their names. If you make a complaint to the USPS they will know who was there. You know, like if you were to make a complaint about us (the police), you wouldn't need our name or badge number because there are records that show who we are."
Me: "Okay, I understand that. I'm sorry. I was not aware that I didn't need their names. I never was rude to them or anything."
USPS2: "He just came in here [...] and started making threats.."
(Cop2 cuts her off)
Cop2: "Threats? What threats?"
USPS2: (stuttering) "Well, I didn't mean that he made any threats, I meant that we have been threatened and stuff in the past.."
Cop2: "So, there were no threats.."
USPS2: "No."

The police then tell me to let the USPS do their job and that if I have a complaint, to file one with the USPS. I apologize and they leave. They didn't even take my name or anything. Once the police showed up, I decided that I didn't want to take this any further by being pushed by the USPS woman's claims to anger. I didn't want to risk being arrested. I just wanted my ******* mail on time.
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