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Super.Fi 5Pro | Triple.Fi 10Pro Comparison

post #1 of 37
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I've had my UE Triple.Fi 10's for a few days now and thought i'd write a little comparison between them and the Super.Fi 5 Pro's.

Obviously the Triple.Fi 10's come out on top, but i thought this might be useful for people thinking of an upgrade, or looking for a set of IEM's and aren't sure how much to blow.


These comparisons are taken from an iPod Classic playing AIFF. To give you an idea of the kind of music i listen to here are some bits i've been listening to over the last few days:

Audioslave
Foo Fighters
Linkin Park
Tori Amos
Blindside
Norah Jones
Van Morrison
James Taylor
Pink Floyd
Trivium
Pendulum
Basshunter
Timbuktu
Rodrigo Y Gabriel

There is quite a range there. It does represent the diversity of my listening taste, and i really wanted to see how the Triple Fi's stepped up over the whole range.


Lets start at the bottom and work up. I haven't tried to use all the fancy words in the glossary, this is just how i perceive it, my opinions and thoughts.


Bass

This was the first difference i noticed and it is big. The bass on the Super.Fi's is good, very good, but they lack clarity in various instances. The Triple.Fi's have control, and depth over the SF's most probably brought about due to the use of dual armatures for the low end. Music with low bass lines and a powerful kick drum struggle somewhat with the SF's, where as every note is definable in the TF's. The TF's produce bass you can really feel. Instruments like piano's are given room to breath, its is a far more realistic reproduction.

When listening to bass heavy music, like Basshunter, Pendulum, The Knife, Goldfrapp, etc, the SF's do a very good job, but there comes a point when you start to think they are being pushed beyond their means. It is still deep, and very pleasant, but when you compare them to the TF's, they just can't compete.



Mids

Quite close here. The most noticeable different is the spaciousness, increased sound stage of the TF's. Again, it is through the comparison that the SF's caveats are brought to light. TF's don't necessarily sound like IEMs (nor i am i claiming that they sound like full sized cans), they just sound bigger than they really are. There is greater separation in the TF's, the music seems to have more room to breath.

Vocally the SF's are very very good, and the differences i noticed were in the nuances. When an artist breaths, or quivvers, its is more noticeable in the TF's.

I have read some people say the vocals on the TF's are 'sucked out' ... to be honest im not sure what this really means. But to me the vocals are there, maybe very very slightly forward, but i enjoy them greatly.



Highs

The SF's and TF's get closer and closer the further you go up the frequency range. Until the very very top, where the TF's sparkle more, a little more realistic, not rolled off. But not bright.

Both are very true to the music, the highs are pleasant, and it is very close between the two. I wouldn't say either wins out here, it is just too close. The benefit for the TF's is that it completes the whole. It is the final piece of the puzzle.



Over all, it is not surprising that the Triple Fi's are a marked improvement over the Super Fi's, but the SF's are still fantastic IEMs. They are still very good and fun to listen to. I wouldn't say the TF's are analytical overly, they are more detailed, fuller, but they still maintain that enjoyable rounded sound.

When i only had the Super.Fi's i thought they were amazing, it's only once i got the Triple.Fi's i realised how much better things can get.



These are just my opinions, im not trying to make people with the SF's feel bad, it is going to be very very hard to part with them, but i just can't afford to keep both. People might disagree with me, and thats fine. I just thought id put my opinion out there.


Here are some comparative photos...





post #2 of 37
GREAT review. I really enjoyed it.
You should tried Westone ES cable with the Superfi. Apart from the great deal of added comfort, there are some sonic improvements.
Soundstage becomes as large as with the Triple fi. Bass is a bit less bloated, but still confused when comparing to the Triples. Midrange becomes very detailed: I think the recabled Superfi are at least as detailed as the Triple fi. They actually approach Etymotic ER4P in providing microdetails. Instrument separation is good on both, but I would choose the Triple fi due to the cleaner bass.

How do you find the two compare in forgiveness to sibilance?
post #3 of 37
Great review, you really hit the nail on the head with a lot of those observations; especially the comment about the triple.fi's filling the missing piece of the puzzle. That's exactly how I felt when upgraded from the super.fi's - its a similar sound but with the depth and control that I thought was missing.

Not to take anything away from the super.fi's though, I will recommend those to people just getting into higher-end earphones forever (or until the triple.fi's drop a fair bit in price.)
post #4 of 37
Thread Starter 
Cheers guys, your compliments are much appreciated.

@anthonyfirst: It is interesting you bring up the sibilance issue. The SF5's were my first high end IEM's, and so for now are my bench mark. When i first listened to the Triple's i did slightly feel they might be a (very) little sibilant in places, but on further reflection, and also using my speakers as another point of reference, i don't think the Triple's are in fact sibilant. To me it is a very fine line, but after spending some time really listening to various tracks i wouldn't use the term 'sibilant'. However, i guess it will only be once i listen to more phones and IEM's that i will really be able to make an informed opinion. I am interested to see where amp such as the Tomahawk will take things.
post #5 of 37
That's a very nice write-up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by J.D.N View Post
I have read some people say the vocals on the TF's are 'sucked out' ... to be honest im not sure what this really means. But to me the vocals are there, maybe very very slightly forward, but i enjoy them greatly.
The term "sucked out", would imply that some musical information is less "there", or less present than should normally be, relative to other musical information.
post #6 of 37
I hate the 5 Pro with everything my musical mind and ears have to fight with.

But the 10 Pro is, to me, a way better IEM than the Shure E500. Although I would say it is dry in some areas, it is also has a very fun way of presenting, which still is kind of conflicting in my noggin.

Actually, while I was listening to it with some Guns 'N Roses, I heard how in one song the drums sounded really echo-like, as if it was recorded in a small cave. I was immediately worried about that, so I switched over to my Etymotic ER4S, and...that really was how it sounded. The 10 Pro actually showed me something that the ER4S barely did. It was rather astonishing, but hey...I can't complain.
post #7 of 37
Thread Starter 
Spending sunday sitting in a dingy library writting the methodology for your dissertation really isn't much fun, especially when the weather is good and this place is about as jolly as an emema.

However, i have one saver grace. My Triple.Fi's ... they just keep surprising and pleasing me. It is pretty much empty here so there is some serious to tapping goin on (i think i just reached a new level of sadness) .... listening to Van Morrison im hearing things i never heard before, the detail is astounding. These little IEM's are seriously enjoyable to listen to, you don't have to put any effort in ... it just gives you the music. Got The Commitments on at the moment, great range. Lead vocals are really strong, as they should be.

Im going to have to pick up a Tomahawk asap ... just to see what the difference is, see whether the improvement is marked and worth it. As much as they are doing an amazing job, i can't help think they would sound even better out of an amp of far greater quality than in the iPod Classic.
post #8 of 37
The difference with using an amp with the Triple.fi's is definitely worth it I'd say. It doesn't drastically alter the sound but it really emphasizes their good points; tight but deep bass and soundstage especially shine.
post #9 of 37
So the cables can be detached ?
post #10 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Audio-Omega View Post
So the cables can be detached ?

Very much so.Its one of the features of these IEM's
post #11 of 37
Great review mate, I am sure you may also be keen on trying a Westone Cable with them
post #12 of 37
Hey folks, long time no talk, all lurk. You may not realize it, but there are many of us out here who just read the forums here without too much posting. I think I've been here for 5 or 6 years now.

So, rather than ask in a new thread, I'll bring it here. I've been a long time Ety fan. I absolutely adore my ER4S's. When traveling or on the go, I used my ER4P's but a couple of days ago, my 4P's broke, and I decided to give the 5Pros a shot.

Now, to be clear, I love the analytical nature of the Ety's. It is my opinion that the Ety's (4S's) bass is spot on with virtually all the music to which I listen (Primarily vocal jazz, rock, pop), the mids are perfect and the highs are pristine. However, I've been in search of some IEM's that are a little more fun. I tried Shure in the past, but the bass was always bloated and the highs felt shrill to me. Again, just my opinion.

With the 5 Pros, I think I've hit a sound signature that I can fall in love with. They definitely have the "Fun" that I've been looking for, while maintaining enough of the analytical that I like. When I say analytical, I mean that they don't overbloat in any given area, and give me what I believe the recording is giving it. My only issue is a slight feel of muddiness. Which could be just me going from Ety to anything else, but it's still there. Almost as if, the tightness I normally hear in the bass is now coming through a foggy room. I'm also missing a little of that cymbal ring at the top of the range. Not that I can't hear it, but like something isn't there. I think it's the harmonics. They just don't quite feel right.

My question is this. In the back of my mind, I keep thinking that I should have gone straight to the Triples. Are the Triples really that much of an upgrade over the 5pros? Worth the cost difference? If I'm happy with the sound signature of the 5pros, will the Triples give me that same signature?

Anyways, long story just a little bit longer. I really do like the 5Pros so far. But if I can get closer to the sweet spot with the Triples, I'd be willing to go that direction. I'm just hoping that with this little bit of descriptiveness, one of you pros might be able to point me in an appropriate direction.

Thanks a ton.

BTW, just a quick note on comfort. I love the feel of these pros. They are so much more comfortable then the 4P's were. I could seriously wear these all day long with no discomfort. Considering all that I had read on here about these, I'm pleasantly surprised by this.
post #13 of 37
I find the SFP's much more siblant than Triple Fi's.

The Triple Fi's incorporate that dry airy presentation which virtually eliminates the siblance of the ESSSYYYY SFP's
post #14 of 37
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nqstv View Post

My question is this. In the back of my mind, I keep thinking that I should have gone straight to the Triples. Are the Triples really that much of an upgrade over the 5pros? Worth the cost difference? If I'm happy with the sound signature of the 5pros, will the Triples give me that same signature?

Anyways, long story just a little bit longer. I really do like the 5Pros so far. But if I can get closer to the sweet spot with the Triples, I'd be willing to go that direction. I'm just hoping that with this little bit of descriptiveness, one of you pros might be able to point me in an appropriate direction.

Thanks a ton.

BTW, just a quick note on comfort. I love the feel of these pros. They are so much more comfortable then the 4P's were. I could seriously wear these all day long with no discomfort. Considering all that I had read on here about these, I'm pleasantly surprised by this.


The Triples provide more .... of pretty much everything. More accurate low end, deeper,larger sound stage, better detail .... and so on.

To me, yes, the price jump was worth it. For now i think this is far as im going to go until i have a job. I think, and this is complete conjecture, that after this point the price jump for the same difference again is quite substantial.

The Triples are also just as comfortable as the pro's. I am wearing these currently around 5/6 hours a day, maybe more. They seem to just disappear into my ears, i forget they are there.

You may be interested to know. Comply are going to be releasing tips for the Triple possibly as soon as the end of the month.
post #15 of 37
Thanks a ton Spyro and J.D.N. I'm gonna go ahead and get the Triples. I listened to the 5Pros last night for about 4 hours and while I love their sound, I think I'll be happier with the Triples.

Appreciate the feedback!!
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