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post #46 of 411
Boycott away!

Better yet, why doesn't someone take matters further and petition all the moderators to make a formal statement on behalf of Head-Fi.org boycotting all tweaks, mods, footers, cables, as well as any sponsor support of the forums by companies who either sell any of that junk, or use any of that junk!

But why stop there??? I've heard that amplifiers and digital sources all sound the same (and one could infer that they, too, are ALL hogwash, snake-oil, and scams) so it follows that we should boycott them too! Sounds like a good plan, who's with me?

Or should people just boycott Head-fi? They're guilty by association! Boycott, Boycott, Boycott!!!
post #47 of 411
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Originally Posted by yotacowboy View Post
Boycott away!

Better yet, why doesn't someone take matters further and petition all the moderators to make a formal statement on behalf of Head-Fi.org boycotting all tweaks, mods, footers, cables, as well as any sponsor support of the forums by companies who either sell any of that junk, or use any of that junk!

But why stop there??? I've heard that amplifiers and digital sources all sound the same (and one could infer that they, too, are ALL hogwash, snake-oil, and scams) so it follows that we should boycott them too! Sounds like a good plan, who's with me?

Or should people just boycott Head-fi? They're guilty by association! Boycott, Boycott, Boycott!!!
you should add most of the digital source in the boycott since they all measure the same anyway (Actually some $6k esoteric gear measured not much better than some $200 DVD player...yikes..

For that I bet most of RSA, most of WA, most of Singlepower, and most of HR would measure considerably worse or no better than PPA (DIY project), damn..snake-oil companies..let's boycott them too!
post #48 of 411
Does anyone know how big the audio cable industry is in terms of $$.
post #49 of 411
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Originally Posted by markl View Post
I love it.

"Let's boycott all snake-oil cable companies and their fake products that don't make a difference."*

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*Erm, except for ALO, Blue Jeans Cable and other brands I can afford. Those aren't snake-oil, they work. But all *other* cables, now those are bunk.
Except Blue Jeans doesn't make claims worthy of the next Nobel prize. Their marketing is no-nonsense and whether you can claim to hear it or not, the stated differences between their cables is scientifically sound (e.g. low capacitance interconnects).

--Chris
post #50 of 411
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Originally Posted by yotacowboy View Post
Boycott away!

Better yet, why doesn't someone take matters further and petition all the moderators to make a formal statement on behalf of Head-Fi.org boycotting all tweaks, mods, footers, cables, as well as any sponsor support of the forums by companies who either sell any of that junk, or use any of that junk!

But why stop there??? I've heard that amplifiers and digital sources all sound the same (and one could infer that they, too, are ALL hogwash, snake-oil, and scams) so it follows that we should boycott them too! Sounds like a good plan, who's with me?

Or should people just boycott Head-fi? They're guilty by association! Boycott, Boycott, Boycott!!!
Well, the last time anyone has double-blind tested amplifiers, people couldn't tell the difference...But that test was in the `80s, and it didn't really use a lot of amps or a broad range of amps, so I don't really like referencing it...

Someone really needs to do a major DBT of amps and sources. It's really needed in this hobby.

And as for the other tweaks/footers/whatever, I will believe them when people can hear differences in DBT (and say that the "stuff" with the tweaks sounded better) and/or some scientific basis is found that supports them, because as you know, there are no known theories that support using VD cables makes your system sound better, that reducing vibration makes your system sound better, etc.

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Originally Posted by 883dave View Post
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Originally Posted by OverlordXenu
Yes, because Fitz, Monoprice, and Blue Jeans Cable all claim to make cables that sound so much better than anything else and charge $30,000 for them. Those companies and VD are so similar, aren't they?

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Originally Posted by OverlordXenu
Let's see here, BJC et al. aren't trying to "swindle" anyone (they don't make false claims), and I do not work for them, whereas Acoustic Chef works for VD, and VD does make false claims.

See the difference?

I don't have a "sound so much better" meter, if you could make arrangement for me to borrow the one that you refer to in the above quote, I will give it a shot
A shot at what? And, I can't really do that, anyway. Fitz's cable is soldered to my headphones (the stock cable was just...disgusting, physically), I use a Monoprice HDMI cable for my TV, I use two coaxial cables from BJC to connect my PC and my cable box to my DAC, and then I use a BJC RCA interconnect between my DAC and my amp. I don't really feel like being without my home system for a week or so, and I hate going to Radio Shack.

And I don't really see what you're getting at with those two quotes, BJC et al. doesn't make rediculous claims like VD, and I don't think they have insane markups like VD has ($15-20 in parts for their Power 3, which I think retails for like $200), and BJC tells me what I am getting with my cables (look at their site, they specify canare connectors and whatever cable you choose, and you actually get what you order, whereas VD says they use LiniPure connectors or something, but you just get some cheap off-the-shelf IEC connectors, and whatnot).

I don't really see what you're getting at.

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Originally Posted by gritzcolin View Post
You don't visit these cable boards much do you? Overlord is a cable skeptic one of the biggest. he was being sarcastic when he said they claim to have the best and are all $30k.
Oh, I see. I didn't realize he had missed my sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
It is hard to imagine why anyone would defend ordinary house wire in a hose, short of a direct financial interest.
It could also be a mental investment. Denial, etc.
post #51 of 411
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Originally Posted by 883dave View Post
Thanks, without you pointing this out I would have never known:

Sorry if my return point didn't seem sarcastic enough, will try to do better next time
Yeah I'd say it needs a little work.
post #52 of 411
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Originally Posted by FallenAngel View Post
About the DBT, lots of people can't IDENTIFY what a cable is, but they can PREFER one to another and that's what makes DBT a completely faulty way of testing thing. Sure, I don't know if I'm listening to a certain equipment, but I can tell the difference between them. I'm pretty sure I can't identify which I'm listening to by changing it a few times, but I can say if it was changed or not which means there was a difference. It's all about what you prefer, not if whether you can identify what it is.
Saying which cable you prefer is meaningless until you've established that you can tell a difference between them. Ideally you'd do a DBT to see if there was a difference, followed by a blind AB to see if one is preferred over the other, and if so whether the pricier/prettier one is the one that's preferred.



As for this boycott business, I'm generally in support of it. The prices are only this high because people are willing to pay them. Such a boycott that would force some reason into the marketting, or at least a drop in price, would benefit everyone. It would especially benefit the unfortunate people who feel that cables can make a significant enough difference to be worth investing in, since they'd be the ones that would benefit from the price drop.
post #53 of 411
Can someone show me the link to where they took apart the Power 3 and noticed that it is only $15-20 of materials? I mean, its huge. I'm kind of scared when I see it. I would love to see what was inside.

Found it!

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f21/my...er-3-a-293165/

Thanks
post #54 of 411
I'm sure it's already been said, but the word "boycott" here is extremely odd. If you don't believe in their products, you probably are already not buying them. If you believe in their products, then there is no reason to boycott.
post #55 of 411
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Originally Posted by manaox2 View Post
Can someone show me the link to where they took apart the Power 3 and noticed that it is only $15-20 of materials? I mean, its huge. I'm kind of scared when I see it. I would love to see what was inside.

Found it!

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f21/my...er-3-a-293165/

Thanks
Comparing that thread to the original when Jude took his apart is quite frightening. The amount of vitrol in this subforum is unreal.
post #56 of 411
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Originally Posted by Chu View Post
I'm sure it's already been said, but the word "boycott" here is extremely odd.
i doubt the word was used with much thought to its meaning.
post #57 of 411
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Originally Posted by Chu View Post
Comparing that thread to the original when Jude took his apart is quite frightening. The amount of vitrol in this subforum is unreal.
I bet what you are seeing is the difference between when a cable costs $35 then and when it costs $300 now as the Power 3 has recently...
post #58 of 411
I don't think boycotting makes any difference. Those that don't believe make their own or buy from people like Blue Jeans anyway. The people that believe will continue to support the expensive cables and will probably never be swayed to not support them.

Very rarely do people switch sides.
post #59 of 411
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Originally Posted by Chu View Post
I'm sure it's already been said, but the word "boycott" here is extremely odd. If you don't believe in their products, you probably are already not buying them. If you believe in their products, then there is no reason to boycott.
As I explained in my post, boycotting them for their obscene prices and ridiculous marketing tactics benefits everyone, especially true believers. It can only force down prices and make the marketing more honest.
post #60 of 411
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Originally Posted by monolith View Post
As I explained in my post, boycotting them for their obscene prices and ridiculous marketing tactics benefits everyone, especially true believers. It can only force down prices and make the marketing more honest.
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