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post #151 of 411
Ahem...sacdlover.......bigshot never indicated in his post re "ignorance is like the ocean" that mastering engineers using so-called audiophile cables were ignorant.
post #152 of 411
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Originally Posted by sejarzo View Post
What exactly does Bernie use, that is the real question!

He might very well be saying that he found standard Canare or Mogami with standard Neutrik terminations to be the best quality, and that some snake-oil cables that were terribly expensive induced so many colorations that he couldn't believe that anyone else is using them....and this statement is simply his way of accommodating the believers.

That is within the realm of possible interpretations.
And the answer is.....

Cardas' web site explains that the Neutral Reference is their attempt at "a perfectly neutral reference" digital transmission cable, and that the Neutral Reference is the choice for AES/EBU and SPDIF applications by none other than famous mastering engineer Bernie Grundman at his mastering house in Los Angeles

From 6moons AudioReview
post #153 of 411
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Ahem...sacdlover.......bigshot never indicated in his post re "ignorance is like the ocean" that mastering engineers using so-called audiophile cables were ignorant.
I am aware of that. He never indicated the opposite either; hence the question.
post #154 of 411
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And the answer is.....

Cardas' web site explains that the Neutral Reference is their attempt at "a perfectly neutral reference" digital transmission cable, and that the Neutral Reference is the choice for AES/EBU and SPDIF applications by none other than famous mastering engineer Bernie Grundman at his mastering house in Los Angeles
He may be a damned fine mastering engineer, but if he thinks short of troubleshooting specific issues (long distances, abnormal levels of interference) that one well-made digital cable is any different than another, then yes, he is ignorant of the most basic principles of digital logic.

--Chris
post #155 of 411
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Originally Posted by 883dave View Post
And the answer is.....

Cardas' web site explains that the Neutral Reference is their attempt at "a perfectly neutral reference" digital transmission cable, and that the Neutral Reference is the choice for AES/EBU and SPDIF applications by none other than famous mastering engineer Bernie Grundman at his mastering house in Los Angeles

From 6moons AudioReview
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post #156 of 411
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Originally Posted by sacd lover View Post
I am not addressing those possible reasons.
No you are not. If you do, you'll find the answer to your question.

See ya
Steve
post #157 of 411
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Originally Posted by 883dave View Post
From 6moons AudioReview
Six Moons Reviews The Intelligent Chip

See ya
Steve
post #158 of 411
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I'm truly disappointed now......it appears as if the Intelligent Chip is no longer made by our good friends at Machina Dynamica, as the link to its page from the 6moons review is bad....and they've taken it of their price page.

Blew their whole wad of kryptonite or whatever it was too fast, I guess.
post #159 of 411
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No you are not. If you do, you'll find the answer to your question.

See ya
Steve

I read your answer and your answer was avasive and skirted the real question.

I rephrased the question and I asked ....

I have read comments by Steve Hoffman that he believes that cabling makes a difference.

So now, assuming his comments were true is Steve Hoffman ignorant?

Can you answer this question instead of playing games?
post #160 of 411
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Originally Posted by sacd lover View Post
I read your answer and your answer was avasive and skirted the real question.

I rephrased the question and I asked ....

I have read comments by Steve Hoffman that he believes that cabling makes a difference.

So now, assuming his comments were true is Steve Hoffman ignorant?

Can you answer this question instead of playing games?
You won't get a reasonable answer out of bigshot, read all the other cable threads. his mind is set as cement that good cables do not make any difference, despite he never used or tried any high end cables.

Bigshot is the preacher of the non-believers.

Ontopic: the cardas neutral is less neutral then some other cables.

I just compared to IC's to eachother and i can assure you, both sounded NOT the same!
post #161 of 411
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Originally Posted by sacd lover View Post
I read your answer and your answer was avasive and skirted the real question. Can you answer this question instead of playing games?
It was not evasive. I told you that big names like that are like celebrities who do endorsements in return for money or product. When every decent cable sounds the same, why not get some high end cable company to foot the bill for all the cabling your studio when all you have to say is that you use their product and it sounds great? Besides, the top guy at the studio isn't going to have much of anything to do with the wires in the walls. They have whole crews working for them dealing with details like that.

What you read on fan sites isn't the same as what you hear when you are sitting in the studio with the engineer. Do you really think all those sports celebrities who were on the commercials saying, "I'm going to Disneyland!" actually went?

See ya
Steve
post #162 of 411
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Originally Posted by tourmaline View Post
You won't get a reasonable answer out of bigshot, read all the other cable threads. his mind is set as cement that good cables do not make any difference, despite he never used or tried any high end cables. Bigshot is the preacher of the non-believers.
If you don't want me publicly discussing you and my opinions of your weaknesses, you'll refrain from posting your opinions on me.

See ya
Steve
post #163 of 411
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It was not evasive. I told you that big names like that are like celebrities who do endorsements in return for money or product. When every decent cable sounds the same, why not get some high end cable company to foot the bill for all the cabling your studio when all you have to say is that you use their product and it sounds great? Besides, the top guy at the studio isn't going to have much of anything to do with the wires in the walls. They have whole crews working for them dealing with details like that.

What you read on fan sites isn't the same as what you hear when you are sitting in the studio with the engineer. Do you really think all those sports celebrities who were on the commercials saying, "I'm going to Disneyland!" actually went?

See ya
Steve
Are you saying that someone who is Famous and believes in cables must be a Shill?
post #164 of 411
we need to move beyond the notion and terminology of 'believer' and 'nonbeliever'. Instead, we need to ask ourselves can we hear it. Its fundamentally a question of can you hear it or can't you; it's a matter of fact, a factual question, and not an ideal, fantasy, or metaphysical notion.

I can hear the difference, and that is a fact; I can support this fact with affidavits and it will be accepted so as a fact. This is very much like asking a person can you see the sun, and he answers yes I can; now that is a fact, a fact that he can see the sun. Much like the 'seeing the sun' is a fact, it is equally a fact that I can hear the difference.

It's a fact that 'bigshot' can't hear a difference because he says he can't. we as a community need to respect that fact.
post #165 of 411
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Originally Posted by chesebert View Post
we need to move beyond the notion and terminology of 'believer' and 'nonbeliever'. Instead, we need to ask ourselves can we hear it. Its fundamentally a question of can you hear it or can't you; it's a matter of fact, a factual question, and not an ideal, fantasy, or metaphysical notion.

I can hear the difference, and that is a fact; I can support this fact with affidavits and it will be accepted so as a fact. This is very much like asking a person can you see the sun, and he answers yes I can; now that is a fact, a fact that he can see the sun. Much like the 'seeing the sun' is a fact, it is equally a fact that I can hear the difference.

It's a fact that 'bigshot' can't hear a difference because he says he can't. we as a community need to respect that fact.
Actually, hearing a difference in sighted listening doesn't necessarily mean someone hears a difference because there "is" a difference. Someone may hear a difference due to the placebo effect.

I am a subjectivist and yet I find it hard to understand why so many subs are loathe to acknowledge this simple logic.

I can respect the fact someone hears a dif while at the same time accepting he may hear that dif. due to expectation bias. I also accept that there might be a dif and it may be a result of the equipment.

For my purchasing, if 2 units are near the same price I don't need a blind test to decide. But if their are 1,000s in difference I want to know I'm not fooling myself.
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