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post #136 of 411
2/11/08 at 1:50am
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Originally Posted by jp11801 View Post
since you are soooo into backing up your talk sould you show me the study that pointed to the "consensus of audio professionals outside of the audiophile world that made this claim, was it at an industry gathering that a poll was taken or perhaps the at the water cooler of CBS recording studio... wherever it was I would really love to read this. Or perhaps you have sought out all the audio pros then qualified them to ensure there were not part of the audiophile secrect cabal of cable charlitains?? Do tell
I love how you have exaggerated standards for my generalizations, while demanding exacting standards of your specific claims is head-fi heresy (e.g. DBT).

No poll need be taken to show what audio professionals use most. Check out their primary suppliers and catalogs, take a tour of their studios, you will probably never see anything other than quality-constructed copper wire with nickel-plated conductors and PVC jackets, and varying degrees of foam or copper insulation depending on the task. Neutrik and Belden come to mind. Occasionally, particularly amongst hobbyists, you will find gold plating for longevity, but not for sound quality.

--Chris
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post #137 of 411
2/11/08 at 2:38am
All I know is that I'm glad my system currently needs no cables, other than a USB cable. And if anyone tried to tell me that I need a better one of those to improve sound quality, I'll just fax in your reservations at the funny farm!
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post #138 of 411
2/11/08 at 3:11am
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No poll need be taken to show what audio professionals use most. Check out their primary suppliers and catalogs, take a tour of their studios, you will probably never see anything other than quality-constructed copper wire with nickel-plated conductors and PVC jackets, and varying degrees of foam or copper insulation depending on the task. Neutrik and Belden come to mind. Occasionally, particularly amongst hobbyists, you will find gold plating for longevity, but not for sound quality.

--Chris
"All cables & wire whether interconnects or internal are high-end quality, and were chosen after extensive listening tests between many competing brands"

From Bernie Grundman Mastering

"Kubala-Sosna Emotion Interconnects, power cords, 20 amp IEC cord, speaker cable and internal and external studio wiring"

From Steve Hoffman "Mastering room playback system"

THIS SYSTEM IS WIRED WITH CARDAS CABLE FOR LOW DISTORTION,WIDE-BAND AUDIO, AND SHAKTI RF ABSORBERS FOR BEST POSSIBLE SIGNAL-TO-NOISE RATIO

From Stan Ricker Mastering
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post #139 of 411
2/11/08 at 3:22am
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Originally Posted by fraseyboy View Post
Let's boycott cereal companies too for selling cereal at like 10 times what it costs to make it!

But yeah, I do half agree. I think we should support those DIY people on head-fi that make cables themselves.
YEAH!! a box of lucky charms for 6 dollars is absurd!!
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post #140 of 411
2/11/08 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by IPodPJ View Post
He probably feels it's a competition because you always have to get the last word in. Why do you do that? Sometimes you just have to let things go, even if you don't agree with them. There will never be a final word in cables; those that hear a difference enjoy them.
I've noticed on the internet people tend to judge who "wins" a discussion is the last person to reply. I've tried really hard to keep out of this forum because of that, it just sucks up so much time and energy
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post #141 of 411
2/11/08 at 3:22pm
Ignorance is like the ocean. It seems to go on forever and it comes in waves.

See ya
Steve
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post #142 of 411
2/11/08 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
Ignorance is like the ocean. It seems to go on forever and it comes in waves.

See ya
Steve
Are these people ignorant?

"All cables & wire whether interconnects or internal are high-end quality, and were chosen after extensive listening tests between many competing brands"

From Bernie Grundman Mastering

"Kubala-Sosna Emotion Interconnects, power cords, 20 amp IEC cord, speaker cable and internal and external studio wiring"

From Steve Hoffman "Mastering room playback system"

THIS SYSTEM IS WIRED WITH CARDAS CABLE FOR LOW DISTORTION,WIDE-BAND AUDIO, AND SHAKTI RF ABSORBERS FOR BEST POSSIBLE SIGNAL-TO-NOISE RATIO

From Stan Ricker Mastering
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post #143 of 411
2/11/08 at 3:48pm
Mastering is quite different than recording. It's a whole different mindset, because they need to convince the artists and engineers who made the record to let them take a crack at their "baby". I've never worked with these three, so I can't comment on their particulars. But some high end studios have sponsorship arrangements, just like musicians have instrument manufacturers as sponsors. But either way, when someone hires a very famous engineer, they are paying for his expertise, not his wires, just like Steve Vai is still Steve Vai even if he doesn't play an Ibenez strung with Ernie Balls.

See ya
Steve
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post #144 of 411
2/11/08 at 3:58pm
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Mastering is quite different than recording. It's a whole different mindset, because they need to convince the artists and engineers who made the record to let them take a crack at their "baby". I've never worked with these three, so I can't comment on their particulars. But some high end studios have sponsorship arrangements, just like musicians have instrument manufacturers as sponsors. But either way, when someone hires a very famous engineer, they are paying for his expertise, not his wires, just like Steve Vai is still Steve Vai even if he doesn't play an Ibenez strung with Ernie Balls.

See ya
Steve
Can you ever answer a direct question?

These three use audiophile wire .... are they ignorant .... yes or no?
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post #145 of 411
2/11/08 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by sacd lover View Post
These three use audiophile wire .... are they ignorant .... yes or no?
No, they have reputations as being great engineers. But there are more reasons to use audiophile wire than sound quality, as I pointed out in the previous post.

See ya
Steve
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post #146 of 411
2/11/08 at 4:17pm
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Originally Posted by sacd lover View Post
Are these people ignorant?

[COLOR="Red"] "All cables & wire whether interconnects or internal are high-end quality, and were chosen after extensive listening tests between many competing brands"

From Bernie Grundman Mastering
What exactly does Bernie use, that is the real question!

He might very well be saying that he found standard Canare or Mogami with standard Neutrik terminations to be the best quality, and that some snake-oil cables that were terribly expensive induced so many colorations that he couldn't believe that anyone else is using them....and this statement is simply his way of accommodating the believers.

That is within the realm of possible interpretations.
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post #147 of 411
2/11/08 at 4:18pm
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What exactly does Bernie use, that is the real question!

He might very well be saying that he found standard Canare or Mogami with standard Neutrik terminations to be the best quality, and that some snake-oil cables that were terribly expensive induced so many colorations that he couldn't believe that anyone else is using them....and this statement is simply his way of accommodating the believers.

That is within the realm of possible interpretations.
Possible .... but I doubt it. But, what about the other two?
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post #148 of 411
2/11/08 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
No, they have reputations as being great engineers. But there are more reasons to use audiophile wire than sound quality, as I pointed out in the previous post.

See ya
Steve

I have read comments by Steve Hoffman that he believes that cabling makes a difference.

So now, assuming his comments were true is Steve Hoffman ignorant?
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post #149 of 411
2/11/08 at 4:27pm
No, he has a reputation as being a great engineer. But there are more reasons to use audiophile wire than sound quality, as I pointed out in the previous post.

See ya
Steve
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post #150 of 411
2/11/08 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
No, he has a reputation as being a great engineer. But there are more reasons to use audiophile wire than sound quality, as I pointed out in the previous post.

See ya
Steve
I am not addressing those possible reasons.

I asked ....

I have read comments by Steve Hoffman that he believes that cabling makes a difference.

So now, assuming his comments were true is Steve Hoffman ignorant?

So what is your answer?
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