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post #61 of 74
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post #62 of 74
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Originally Posted by HiFi FOR METAL View Post
That says nothing of audibility. It doesn't say that we can hear the difference between 16/44.1 and 24/192 (which that DBT I linked to earlier says we cannot).
post #63 of 74
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Again, when was the last time your CD's, even the best mastered ones, sounded exactly like real life? The answer is most likely never. It doesn't sound like real life because it is missing much of the harmonic content that real life has, plus CD cannot even decay very well. There are several artifacts like lack of headroom, sterility, and other things that plague even the best CD's. I also have to ask? Overl-rdXenu, do you even listen to vinyl at all? It sounds completely different and it isn't really because of the mastering process either, it is because it has greater linearity and harmonic content for the sine wave. Pursuant to this phenomenon the article did mention audibility,

"Some sounds that have very quick transitions, such as a drum beat or a trumpet's tone, will be distorted because they change too quickly for the sample rate"

I believe distortion would be an audible artifact, right?
post #64 of 74
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Originally Posted by HiFi FOR METAL View Post
Again, when was the last time your CD's, even the best mastered ones, sounded exactly like real life? The answer is most likely never. It doesn't sound like real life because it is missing much of the harmonic content that real life has, plus CD cannot even decay very well. There are several artifacts like lack of headroom, sterility, and other things that plague even the best CD's. I also have to ask? Overl-rdXenu, do you even listen to vinyl at all? It sounds completely different and it isn't really because of the mastering process either, it is because it has greater linearity and harmonic content for the sine wave. Pursuant to this phenomenon the article did mention audibility,

"Some sounds that have very quick transitions, such as a drum beat or a trumpet's tone, will be distorted because they change too quickly for the sample rate"

I believe distortion would be an audible artifact, right?
Well, you have the right to your opinions based on your experiences.

I've spent a lifetime listening to live rock, classical, club jazz etc, starting in the early sixties when my brother dragged me off to The Crawford Grill and the Hurricane jazz bars here in Pittsburgh. There I saw Fatha Hines, Davis, Coltrane, Lena Horne and many others too numerous to mention.

I've seen Hendrix, Joplin, Simon and Garfunkle yadda, yadda.

The Pittsburgh Symphony has long been considered one of the WORLD's best orchestras. I've seen Segovia live.

Guess what. Many of the cd's actually sound better than live. Huh????

Why? Because engineers of talent who cared massaged the sound to eliminate bad room accoustics, bad amplifiers, poor seating location, bad mixes by on site sound men. I could go on.

Good engineering combined with superior equipment makes for unforgettable listening experiences.

Just last night I marvelled for the dozenth time at least, at just how good Cream sounds on their reunion DVD, when played through Edition 9's and the rest of my equipment.

No, it's not the live experience. That's the totality of BEING THERE. Especially with good friends and after good food and drink. And marveling at the shear technical ability of musicians we admire.

But for pure SOUND and MUSICALITY, reproduction, if done right can exceed live.

And guess what, I don't care about your opinion, because what I just said isn't my opinion, it's my EXPERIENCE.
post #65 of 74
It's also possible that the vinyl playback process adds something to the recorded sound - most people are familiar with the clicks, pops, and other ephemeral parts of the record-playing experience. Part of the "warm" sound of vinyl is nostalgia, in my opinion - it's not a sound at all, but an emotion. Which is fine with me
post #66 of 74
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...Guess what. Many of the CDs actually sound better than live. Huh????
That's true for me as well: I prefer music reproduction to most live concerts because of the better acoustics and the higher transparency, which finally convey more musicality. That's especially valid for large classical orchestras and complex compositions, but less for chamber music (whereas I really like listening to jazz bands live -- at least in acoustically favorable environments).

Now the same would apply to vinyl records and of course open-reel tapes, so it doesn't mean the CD as a format/medium does sonic colors and transients absolutely right -- I'd even say it doesn't.
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post #67 of 74
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Originally Posted by HiFi FOR METAL View Post
Again, when was the last time your CD's, even the best mastered ones, sounded exactly like real life? The answer is most likely never. It doesn't sound like real life because it is missing much of the harmonic content that real life has, plus CD cannot even decay very well. There are several artifacts like lack of headroom, sterility, and other things that plague even the best CD's. I also have to ask? Overl-rdXenu, do you even listen to vinyl at all? It sounds completely different and it isn't really because of the mastering process either, it is because it has greater linearity and harmonic content for the sine wave. Pursuant to this phenomenon the article did mention audibility,

"Some sounds that have very quick transitions, such as a drum beat or a trumpet's tone, will be distorted because they change too quickly for the sample rate"

I believe distortion would be an audible artifact, right?
I have about 200 vinyl records, thanks. I haven't listened to them in years, though. I've been trying to find a place that doesn't charge an arm and a leg to transfer them into a digital format, preferably FLAC.
post #68 of 74
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This is probably going to be one of the best on the market for vinyl transfer Stereophile: Bellari's VP530. Also I would try to record to 24 bit if possible.
post #69 of 74
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I actually saw this at the show, it looks really good and the non USB version is very highly rated.
post #70 of 74

thats just getting absurd. but its cool :).

in my opinion though 97 kHz / 24 bit is plenty. a lot of people are even content with CD quality which is 16 bit.

64 bit is just going too far. lol

post #71 of 74
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Originally Posted by danielghofrani View Post

thats just getting absurd. but its cool :).

in my opinion though 97 kHz / 24 bit is plenty. a lot of people are even content with CD quality which is 16 bit.

64 bit is just going too far. lol

 

 

Holy necroposting, Batman!


You do realize this thread is almost three years old, right?  Go-Go-Gadget search function!

 

That said, I can hear no differences between my CD and vinyl of Stevie Ray Vaughan's Couldn't Stand The Weather.

 

Also, without having heard SACDs yet (I just bought a player and am waiting to come home to listen to it), my preconceived notion is that they probably sound better thanks to better mastering than the equivalent CDs and/or the placebo effect.  I look forward to listening, however.

 

On a funny note: I once tricked a friend into thinking that I was playing a 5.1 SACD when it was just a normal Redbook CD played in stereo.  When I told him the truth he didn't believe me; it so convincingly filled up the room and certain sounds seemed to come from behind you - oh, and the level of detail present.

 

That was Björk's Debut - my testing CD of choice.  The track was Venus as a Boy.


Edited by BlackbeardBen - 12/9/10 at 6:24am
post #72 of 74

haha! good call! I actually did not realize the true extent of the age of this thread!

is this 62 bit technology out now?!

post #73 of 74
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Originally Posted by markl View Post

There will never be another audio format released on physical media. That era's over. Even if they did do such a stupid thing even after the SACD and DVD-A fiascoes, where would you buy your shiny new Blu-Ray audio discs from? Look around, all your local CD shops are closing and will be gone in a few years.

If we ever get a new hi-rez format, it will be something we download. Years and years and years from now when we have fiber optic networks.

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Never say never, there are plenty of folks out there who reject computer audio for a multitude of reasons. Network/Wi-Fi capable BD universal players which can play any disc format, and which are firmware upgradeable, seem to be gaining favor right now. Those too with USB and S/PDIF input will allow the audiophile, or music lover to get and playback  music with both  convenience and  quality as desired, from yesterday's, today's, and tomorrow's technology.


Edited by sterling1 - 12/12/10 at 7:41am
post #74 of 74

plenty but not plenty enough... 99 % is fine with computer audio. A lot don´t even see a reason to geta dedicated soundcard.

 

There is quite a bit of bluray concerts out. But yes I don´t expect much blurays only for audio. Though there is some from 2L for example. But they also distribute online.

You can get a 2TB harddrive for no money these days so there isn´t much that suggests bluray will replace the CD or something.

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