I was wondering if anyone had heard anything about this as a format? I have talked to some people in the industry that think it will become the next audio format and be able to support bit rates into the 64bit range. I am also wondering if anyone has seen any specification for the sample rate at all, like if it is 64/10MHz or another combination. I question if any people think that this is a positive step or if it will be just like SACD, DVD-A. I know that many people are also considering the possibility of being able to download 24/192 uncompressed audio, but I doubt many people will be able to download such a dense bit rate like 64bit even in the future.
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Actually I know nothing at all about a new audio format on the Blu-ray disc, but I'm curious, too. I can't imagine that it will have 64 bit dynamic resolution or something like that -- 24 bit or certainly 32 bit is enough IMO. I wouldn't mind a sampling rate of 384 kHz, though, but I doubt it will be more than 24 bit/192 kHz, if at all. Higher resolution would mean too much investment in new equipment for the recording studios, the more so as they haven't been able to amortize their current high-rez equipment.
I may be wrong, but in any event it would still be a long way to go till we'd see ultra-high-rez DACs on the consumer market.
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I may be wrong, but in any event it would still be a long way to go till we'd see ultra-high-rez DACs on the consumer market.
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Is SACD & DVD-A audio included in the Blue-Ray package?
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It would help to cut down on compression on the disc's. Think of all the resolution and dynamics all there and not subdued.
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If someone came out with a universal disc player it probably would be, but if it was a Sony player it wouldn't have DVD-A.
Also I have personally listened to DACs that do resampling in the 6.13 MHz range that then converted to 32/192. It is a system called S.T.A.R.S. and was developed by Anagram and is only available in Audio Aero products. Now more companies are using 32 bit DACs and 384kHz sampling rates. I think if a new format came out that could support this resolution it wouldn't take more than a few years for the big DAC Chip companies to start to support it. We are almost there in some ways. I Mean SACD was a 2.3 MHz sampling rate, and that technology is more than 10 years old.
Also I have personally listened to DACs that do resampling in the 6.13 MHz range that then converted to 32/192. It is a system called S.T.A.R.S. and was developed by Anagram and is only available in Audio Aero products. Now more companies are using 32 bit DACs and 384kHz sampling rates. I think if a new format came out that could support this resolution it wouldn't take more than a few years for the big DAC Chip companies to start to support it. We are almost there in some ways. I Mean SACD was a 2.3 MHz sampling rate, and that technology is more than 10 years old.
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I totally agree, every bit adds 6db of headroom, so even 64 bit would be great and cut down on dynamic compression.
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Over at avsforum.com, a Denon rep hints at upcoming Denon Blu-ray player with SACD and/or DVD-Audio. Otherwise, the PS3 has Blu-ray and SACD.
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Just another thought, CD is 700MB, most DVD's are 4-8GB, Blu-Ray can get as high as 200GB and it may be possible for it to add even more storage than that. I think with that level of storage 64 bit audio would be possible. So you could have these ridiculous bit rates in multi channel! A 200GB bluray would have 8 layers, so theoretically you could have 25GB per song. almost like an 8 track, but this could achieve playback levels that one could only dream about.
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heard a friends copy of david gilmore's live at the albert hall on blu-ray
sounds pretty good it was done in dolby tru-hd.
sounds pretty good it was done in dolby tru-hd.
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2/4/08 at 6:20pm
64bit? So even more placebo goodness?
(FYI: No one was able to tell the difference between SACD and the same recording downscaled to CD's bandwidth/bitrate/whatever. It was in AES. Someone can cite it/link to it, the information escapes me ATM.)
It would be interesting if they could do something like discographies on blu-ray, that would be cool.
(FYI: No one was able to tell the difference between SACD and the same recording downscaled to CD's bandwidth/bitrate/whatever. It was in AES. Someone can cite it/link to it, the information escapes me ATM.)
It would be interesting if they could do something like discographies on blu-ray, that would be cool.
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...every bit adds 6db of headroom, so even 64 bit would be great and cut down on dynamic compression.
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BTW, a reasonable dose of dynamic compression doesn't hurt.
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I can hear the difference between CD and DVD-A/SACD on my McCormack UDP-1. Higher resolution produces higher resolution. 64 bit may be overkill, though, but a higher sampling rate allows for higher and/or less rigid low-pass filtering, thus higher transient accuracy.
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There will never be another audio format released on physical media. That era's over. Even if they did do such a stupid thing even after the SACD and DVD-A fiascoes, where would you buy your shiny new Blu-Ray audio discs from? Look around, all your local CD shops are closing and will be gone in a few years.
If we ever get a new hi-rez format, it will be something we download. Years and years and years from now when we have fiber optic networks.
If we ever get a new hi-rez format, it will be something we download. Years and years and years from now when we have fiber optic networks.

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The reason why so many (pop) recordings suffer from massive dynamic compression isn't the CD's limited dynamic headroom, but the battle for maximum loudness -- in view of broadcasting.
BTW, a reasonable dose of dynamic compression doesn't hurt. . |
Also I think SACD is a good format, but one of the reasons that some people didn't think it sounded better than CD was because many of the players had a filter at about 30kHz to 50kHz, the range of SACD went up to about 100kHz. the reason this filter was invented is because certain amps would oscilate when given that level of bandwidth, so many of the companies producing the players put a filter on the output.
I have heard SACD sound far superlative to CD, one of the most unforgettable demos I have heard of it was at T.H.E. Show this year. Diana Krall is an audiophile staple, it seemed every other room I went to at CES or T.H.E Show were playing her stuff. then I went into one room playing her SACD, it sounded more resolved than all of the CD versions this year to say the least. I could hear every scratch of Diana Krall's durmer's brushes stirring the soup on his snare in dimensional space, it was very vivid. The funny thing is I really don't like her music that much, but this system and recording were so good I couldn't help but be sucked in. That is the power of high rez. That is why the Blu-Ray format is potentially very exciting. It would be nice to have a recording that never has any compression or quantization issues, because after all live music doesn't either.
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