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post #61 of 89
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Strand two 10 gauge bare wires together, and you have what 5 or 6 gauge? Strand enough of those wires together, you can even have a 1 gauge, if that sort of thing even exists.


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BTW, I check at Home Depot online web site and the heaviest cable they carry is 10 gauge not the 6 gauge used in the Virtual Dynamics Genesis series.
post #62 of 89
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Strand two 10 gauge bare wires together, and you have what 5 or 6 gauge? Strand enough of those wires together, you can even have a 1 gauge, if that sort of thing even exists.
VD specifically states that they use single conductors for each wire unless you want to purchase a Genesis and test it for us. Are you also saying that they actually use stranded wire instead of single core? This is what you are saying in your post even if it is large gauge strands. Their "LiniPur" wire is called a single conductor wire. Note that their wire is coated as well with something called AVM 2.0 so they are not bare as noted above in some cables. So they are not the same up and down their product line as implied above.

I am getting tired of repeating ad copy because I really don't know what they do to their cables, I have never destructively tested them. You have clearly not read and are not interested in reading anything about this issue. If you want to destroy a high-end cable at a large meet why don't you to test the claims of this manufacturer. Then you could make claims from a position of knowledge but even then maybe not from a position of understanding not knowing everything about them and how they were made. I guess it would take some material engineering under a scanning- scope to find some of those details.

Asking people to prove a negative by stating false claims is an easy game to play so please refrain from doing this any more. Without proof, your claims are just as specious as any I may make but at least I am only repeating what I have read in the PR copy. And further I can claim the knowledge that these cables do make some difference for some reason and apparently others have as well if you care to follow those historic threads noted above. Your are producing your own version of ad copy by making false claims without any understanding or knowledge of what actually is being made. You have proven you only have contempt toward information even if it is only ad copy so why should your false claims be held to any different standard?
post #63 of 89
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....their markup is just disgusting.
They offer 50 % discounts on their products. If you return an old cable, they will offer an additional 20-25% discount. IMO offering such steep discounts undermines their credibility.
post #64 of 89
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You have clearly not read and are not interested in reading anything about this issue. ?
Agree 100% with you.
post #65 of 89
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Asking people to prove a negative...
Wow! Someone has been reading my posts!

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Without proof, your claims are just as spacious as any I may make
"Specious"

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even if it is only ad copy so why should your false claims be held to any different standard?
Ad copy has a clear motive.

See ya
Steve
post #66 of 89
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Me making false claims?

What have I claimed? This whole God complex with Virtual Dynamics stoked my interested in their cables. And their claim on speed of light travel further stoked my interest in what kind of conductors they are using to construct their speed of light cables apparently in defiance of the laws of physics.

You are accusing me of making false claims? This is going a bit far, don't you think?

Let's see, all these claims are made by Virtual Dynamics:

1) God gave Rick a dream
2) God told Rick how to construct faster than speed of light powercords
3) Rick actually accomplished this


I merely have an interest in trying to gain an understanding of the physical construction behind these miraculous cables. And this constitutes a crime? And I am labeled a false prophet?



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Your are producing your own version of ad copy by making false claims without any understanding or knowledge of what actually is being made. You have proven you only have contempt toward information even if it is only ad copy so why should your false claims be held to any different standard?
post #67 of 89
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I am getting tired of repeating ad copy because I really don't know what they do to their cables, I have never destructively tested them. You have clearly not read and are not interested in reading anything about this issue. If you want to destroy a high-end cable at a large meet why don't you to test the claims of this manufacturer. Then you could make claims from a position of knowledge but even then maybe not from a position of understanding not knowing everything about them and how they were made. I guess it would take some material engineering under a scanning- scope to find some of those details.
If someone makes claims about a product, it's more than fair to ask how they arrived at those claims.

There's nothing sneaky or underhanded about that. It's not trying to destroy a company or anything of the sort. If they put these kinds of claims in their ad copy, they should explain them.

If there is something unfair about that, please explain it to me. You're not implying that all marketing copy should be taken at face vale, no questions asked, are you?

I would like to know what test equipment Virtual Dynamics uses in their lab. I do not want to know any proprietary information, I just want to know what kind of equipment (manufacturer and model number) was used to measure faster-than-light transmissions, or anything else claimed. If the cables were sent to an outside lab, I would like to know the name of the lab, an address and a contact who can confirm they did testing.

If you insist that cables cannot be measured or tested, you must understand that also means there was no way the cables could have been developed in the first place. There would be absolutely no way to compare different prototypes. You could "by ear," I suppose, but that leaves you with infinite variables and, again, no way to test.
post #68 of 89
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If someone makes claims about a product, it's more than fair to ask how they arrived at those claims.

There's nothing sneaky or underhanded about that. It's not trying to destroy a company or anything of the sort. If they put these kinds of claims in their ad copy, they should explain them.

If there is something unfair about that, please explain it to me. You're not implying that all marketing copy should be taken at face vale, no questions asked, are you?

I would like to know what test equipment Virtual Dynamics uses in their lab. I do not want to know any proprietary information, I just want to know what kind of equipment (manufacturer and model number) was used to measure faster-than-light transmissions, or anything else claimed. If the cables were sent to an outside lab, I would like to know the name of the lab, an address and a contact who can confirm they did testing.

If you insist that cables cannot be measured or tested, you must understand that also means there was no way the cables could have been developed in the first place. There would be absolutely no way to compare different prototypes. You could "by ear," I suppose, but that leaves you with infinite variables and, again, no way to test.

That may be true, fair, and honest, and I agree with you, but we all know for sad experience that not all manufacturers are willing to go the extra-mile in providing this extra info (about design, topologies, lab, instruments, testing methods, etc...) specially to the ones who are not even interested in their products, that are just willing to satisfy the curiosity...Most of the times, the ones who ask, are not really interested in buying, and if they do, is just to compare it with other products, and return later one of the two...and select most of the times, based in the answers received, and not even in the real audio or sound comparison and enjoyment.

I know by first hand experience that when you are indeed interested in a product, you purchase it and period, my best satisfied customers had never asked that many questions, and simply spend the time enjoying the gear they have gotten rather than making questions and trying to find out the why's...Of course I do not pretend that everybody do the same, but this has been my experience so far in most of the cases...

That is why also is wise for the manufacturers, do not make claims that later on could be questioned, and instead is better to offer simple statements, backed by real stats on performance, specs, etc...that you can show.

Even while I know that the intentions of some of the ones who are asking here, are not of that kind and may be really honest (in the worst scenario, maybe just curious) as well as the original poster's, it is also true that you can find always, fellows, specially in the boards, that sitting in chair home, with nothing better to offer, or do, just begin to criticize what others do or sell, just for the fun of it. Or what is even worst just to satisfy their ego (in the best cases) or trying to prove that they know what are talking about, while in most of the cases they are simply plain wrong.
Trust me that I know a few here in head-fi, really bothersome, to the point that actually mainly all of them have made my ignore list...
post #69 of 89
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Not everyone has the money to purchase $500 powercords to play with. After reading about these Virtual Dynamics powercords on the net, I am just curious as to what makes these powercords special.

And now curiosity has now become a crime?


And just to clear things up, I am not an undercover agent working for one of Rick's competitors.


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Even while I know that the intentions of some of the ones who are asking here, are not of that kind and may be really honest (in the worst scenario, maybe just curious) as well as the original poster's, it is also true that you can find always, fellows, specially in the boards, that sitting in chair home, with nothing better to offer, or do, just begin to criticize what others do or sell, just for the fun of it. Or what is even worst just to satisfy their ego (in the best cases) or trying to prove that they know what are talking about, while in most of the cases they are simply plain wrong.
Trust me that I know a few here in head-fi, really bothersome, to the point that actually mainly all of them have made my ignore list...
post #70 of 89
You were fast editing!!!!...LOL...

I understand your point, trust me that I have been in that boat as well, you know what I do? if the product is outside my reach/budget, simply I ignore it, period, untill I have the chance of listening it myself in a meeting or maybe doing some arrangements...As an example, I was interested in listening the LISAIII, I got a friend that was willing to send me one on loan, and I trade it for another amp on loan basis, I ending loving the LISA, and probably will keep it for my portable use...

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Curiosity has now become a crime?
No it is not, that was why I took the time last night and spend almost an hour trying to find out some info on those old threads, and began this morning as well with no luck, for you and post it. Trust me that personally I always ask before buying a product. The best customer is an informed customer, as the saying says, but I agree only, and only if, you are really interested in becoming one, as you understand, even while it is not a crime as you say, it is not fair to waste others time just asking if you are not really interested neither, just for the fun of it...

Questioning not always have a happy ending, of course, sometimes after a few answers you realize that the product you are enquiring about is not the right for you, but if you are not even intereted in this product, or sometimes your budget is not even around the price, why bother asking???
post #71 of 89
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
Questioning not always have a happy ending, of course, sometimes after a few answers you realize that the product you are enquiring about is not the right for you, but if you are not even intereted in this product, or sometimes your budget is not even around the price, why bother asking???
How about curiosity? What's wrong with trying to learn about things simply for interest's sake? Asking questions is how we get a better understanding of the the world around us, and that's important to some people.
post #72 of 89
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Originally Posted by Trippytiger View Post
How about curiosity? What's wrong with trying to learn about things simply for interest's sake? Asking questions how we get a better understanding of the the world around us, and that's important to some people.
You can ask, and I ask myself, it is true that this is one of the ways of learning (BTW not the only one)

Consider also that sometimes the other party who have to answer the questions may be busy, or simply had answered too many already, about the same topic time after time...Remember that to offer online support, in a full time job today, you cna have customer from any part fo the world, and most of the times the small manufacturers can't affort to do it, and the ones who can, the big boys, most of the times what they offer is really lame, just ask Sony about a topology or an spec claim about any of their products, and you will find an ass answering you BS on the phone or by email...

I personally do not expect an straight answer most of the times, and I'm happy while I got one, and trust me that I do not blame them, as I have been in both places...

OTOH my bad luck, or experience, will never refrain me from keep on asking and answering...

Just as side note, do you know how many questions I have answered in emails, and later on never heard from the guy again? After a few weeks, while doing some research later on, I found out from some friends that the guy had another couple of amps on possession, and was just trying to get another on loan for comparison sake, is that fair? We stopped sending amps for loans or auditions for that same reason...

Hope VD will not stop doing it...but trust me that they will learn the hard way...
post #73 of 89
Well, if VD are, in fact, so busy that they don't have time to answer inquiries about their absurd marketing claims, then it's entirely their prerogative to prioritize the questions they get and answer whichever ones they choose.

It seems to me that the worst thing that can happen from asking a question is that some employee at VD spends thirty seconds deciding that he's not going to bother answering it - and the best is that someone there takes a little time out of their day to educate whoever asked the question.
post #74 of 89
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Well, if VD are, in fact, so busy that they don't have time to answer inquiries about their absurd marketing claims, then it's entirely their prerogative to prioritize the questions they get and answer whichever ones they choose.

It seems to me that the worst thing that can happen from asking a question is that some employee at VD spends thirty seconds deciding that he's not going to bother answering it - and the best is that someone there takes a little time out of their day to educate whoever asked the question.
Good luck enquiring then!!!

There are questions about a product, questions about deciding between two products, and questions about technology behing them, among others, but do you really believe that any manufacturer will answer any question about the validity of thier claims???
This IMO will be the last in being answered... But anyway good luck...

Also do not forget that here they can not answer them as per headfi rules even if they were willing to do it, an sposored thread or a PM or email directly ot them, at the end htey are the only ones who could answer them, will be IMO more practical and effective...
post #75 of 89
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There are questions about a product, questions about deciding between two products, and questions about technology behing them, among others, but do you really believe that any manufacturer will answer any question about the validity of thier claims???
in most industries? of course.

in the audio world however there is incredible amounts of faith in products as testing is very hard to accomplish with "what someone hears". people basically dont require companies to backup their claims, they just take whatever they say for truth in a pursuit for better sound.
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