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post #46 of 89
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Originally Posted by slwiser View Post
I think this must be a bad memory since I can't seem to find any references to such a statement in this context. I find that Virtual Dynamics has used the term "Dream" for helping us build our dream sound but nothing like what you have suggested and has gotten so much play in this thread.

Please help me since I am a skeptic when it comes to the statement that you opened this thread with as fact. Most of us here have apparently assumed it to be true from how we have responded to this the statement concerning the Dream that God gave. He could have made some similar statement about a dream to only have been misunderstood and misquoted so please provide a link to AudiogoN forum where you read this. I could not find it. I know I have had ideals that came to me in dreams but I would not say that God gave them to me; at least not all the time.

I can appreciate your skepticism in attempting to understand Virtual Dynamics advertising but your attribution to what the VD representative has said so far needs to be substantiated itself. I hope this comes off as being helpful instead of confrontational. If he did say it please help me find it.

Given that you asked for it, I will tell you, that there were indeed claims like that, and I'm 100% sure of that. IIRC there was even a thread here in headfi in which we discussed at that time such claims, it will be hard to find it now, as it was long time ago, but it was indeed true, and was discussed here in headfi as well, not only in other boards...There was some kind of mystical claims involved in the manufacture or design of the cables....

Any old member, with good memory (not mine) can tell you where to find it...
post #47 of 89
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
Given that you asked for it, I will tell you, that there were indeed claims like that, and I'm 100% sure of that. IIRC there was even a thread here in headfi in which we discussed at that time such claims, it will be hard to find it now, as it was long time ago, but it was indeed true, and was discussed here in headfi as well, not only in other boards...There was some kind of mystical claims involved in the manufacture or design of the cables....

Any old member, with good memory (not mine) can tell you where to find it...
OK I will keep looking even here. I did do the checking over on AudiogoN but could not find anything using their own search engine as well as Google with a focus on their site. I also did a general Google search and came up empty. So I continue to ask for those references please. Let me see them as you guys have.

Here is Markl's summary thread: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f21/co...-thread-19217/

Is this the one, it goes back to 2002? This one is very supportive of the Virtual Dynamics cables from a fast glance, I need to read in detail.
post #48 of 89
I found these three old threads that are related with this topic as well, i could not find the one I was looking for, but anyway, in those three, you can find some info about the theories behind the VD manufacture, and some coments, and even answers by Rick himself (Serving in Ecuador (Doug) emailed him and he answered some questions about those theories)...Also you can find some comments by old members about some of the cables as well...

Interesting reading, of course, if you can separate the useful info, from the non so useful...

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f21/um...itivity-18625/

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f21/oh-my-g-d-19762/

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f21/vi...-theory-54416/
post #49 of 89
Very cool stuff Sov.

I especially like the one that Jude referenced to a NASA site. See below:

Information I probably learned but forgot ages ago:

Did You Know?
Electrons don't really race from one end of the wire to the other like sprinters at a track meet.

In an electric current the electrons jump from one atom to another, pushing other electrons in front of them as they go. They really behave more like runners in a relay race, passing along the baton (electrical energy) from one atom to the next. The electrons don't actually travel very fast, but the electrical energy that they create travels at the speed of light!


This would explain why cables have such an impact on the audio. (imo)
post #50 of 89
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
I found these three old threads that are related with this topic as well, i could not find the one I was looking for, but anyway, in those three, you can find some info about the theories behind the VD manufacture, and some coments, and even answers by Rick himself (Serving in Ecuador (Doug) emailed him and he answered some questions about those theories)...Also you can find some comments by old members about some of the cables as well...

Interesting reading, of course, if you can separate the useful info, from the non so useful...

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f21/um...itivity-18625/

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f21/oh-my-g-d-19762/

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f21/vi...-theory-54416/
Sov

Thanks for going the extra mile and providing these links.

I think that there is a lot to consider in the experience of those in the link that I provided as well as the information in your links.
post #51 of 89
Thread Starter 
Thank you sovkiller for digging up those old links! Gosh, it must have been like 3 or 4 years ago. I don't think Audiogon archives threads from all those many moons ago.
post #52 of 89
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Actually, with my rudimentary knowledge of high school physics, this is how electrons are supposed to behave.


I am just curious, what kind of super conducts are Virtual Dynamics using? Does Virtual Dynamics buy minerals directly from mines and cast their own cables? Or does Virtual Dynamics by off the shelf generic cables and wrap them up in really heavy jackets?

Anyone actually peeled away the jackets and have taken a look inside? Is it copper? Silver? A mixture of copper, silver? Or some other fancy elements mixed in?

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Originally Posted by IPodPJ View Post
This would explain why cables have such an impact on the audio. (imo)
post #53 of 89
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Originally Posted by furball View Post
Anyone actually peeled away the jackets and have taken a look inside? Is it copper? Silver? A mixture of copper, silver? Or some other fancy elements mixed in?
I saw a video of some of the deadening material they used to quite vibrations as it spilled out of a container. I think that Markl cut into an original Power cord back in the old days when they only cost 30$ or so and described what happened when that material fell out of the cable. Just some things I found during my trek into the world of VD cables.
post #54 of 89
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Deadening material? Was some kind of gel? Foam? Another layer of metal? Plastic?

But what about the conductors themselves? Are they actually copper? Or some kind of mixture?
post #55 of 89
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Deadening material? Was some kind of gel? Foam? Another layer of metal? Plastic?

But what about the conductors themselves? Are they actually copper? Or some kind of mixture?
Deadening material are granules of some material, probably iron, of various sizes and shapes but small enough to fit in the cable itself.

WOW! you have not cared enough to read much about them have you and this is especially interesting after you being so critical of Virtual Dynamics. They talk about their conductors on their web site if you are interested and their end connections. I will let do this research for your own homework if you are truly interested in what makes these cables what they are.

Are you changing your focus from PR ad copy to actual design?
post #56 of 89
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Originally Posted by furball View Post
Actually, with my rudimentary knowledge of high school physics, this is how electrons are supposed to behave.


I am just curious, what kind of super conducts are Virtual Dynamics using? Does Virtual Dynamics buy minerals directly from mines and cast their own cables? Or does Virtual Dynamics by off the shelf generic cables and wrap them up in really heavy jackets?

Anyone actually peeled away the jackets and have taken a look inside? Is it copper? Silver? A mixture of copper, silver? Or some other fancy elements mixed in?
I got a PM recently from someone who said that him and his friend chopped open a VD cable, and his friend started laughing. Why? Regular, cheap, wire from Home Depot was being used in them. Not even Pt plated Au. Just regular old whatever-Home-Depot-uses. (Copper?)
post #57 of 89
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Originally Posted by OverlordXenu View Post
I got a PM recently from someone who said that him and his friend chopped open a VD cable, and his friend started laughing. Why? Regular, cheap, wire from Home Depot was being used in them. Not even Pt plated Au. Just regular old whatever-Home-Depot-uses. (Copper?)
I find this post a bit ironic in itself.
post #58 of 89
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Originally Posted by slwiser View Post
I find this post a bit ironic in itself.
I was just trying to show that if they still use HD wire, their markup is just disgusting.
post #59 of 89
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Originally Posted by OverlordXenu View Post
I was just trying to show that if they still use HD wire, their markup is just disgusting.
This statement also makes an assumption that all their cables from their original version back in 2000 till today uses the same conductors all across their product line. Because, do your really think the person destroyed a 10,000+$ cable for this or the original 30$ version? Is this a good assumption?

Their PR shows that they use difference conductors up and down their product line today at least in size if not in type of handling (cryo type stuff, etc.).

BTW, I check at Home Depot online web site and the heaviest cable they carry is 10 gauge not the 6 gauge used in the Virtual Dynamics Genesis series.
post #60 of 89
Am I wrong, or isn't lN2 pretty cheap?
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