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post #31 of 89
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Originally Posted by furball View Post
You can't blame those guys. Because of the aforementioned time dilation effects with using those Speed of Light powercords, Rick and those guys are probably still trying to finish junior high...
im still giggling at this post
post #32 of 89
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Originally Posted by Febs View Post
I would be really concerned about relativistic effects of using these cables. I mean, wouldn't it be terrible if you listened to music for a couple of hours using these cables and then found that all of your friends and family had aged by several years because of the time dilation?
LOL...really good one

Honestly, I could care less about the "technology" that they use on these cables. All that matters is the music I'm getting from my system when using them.
post #33 of 89
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Originally Posted by infinitesymphony View Post
@slwiser, do you think that the magnets have something to do with the "speed of light" claims?
"Speed of light" thing is simply a phrase with no real meaning in a real context here. But it is a catchy PR phrase which gets your attention and therefore it works for what I think it was meant to achieve.
post #34 of 89
I would be wary of listening to Acoustic Chef, I know him elsewhere, and when he was there (he was banned), he was very immature, made unsubstantiated claims, and was just flat-out rude to everyone.

He was pretty much totally unprofessional.
post #35 of 89
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Originally Posted by OverlordXenu View Post
I would be wary of listening to Acoustic Chef, I know him elsewhere, and when he was there (he was banned), he was very immature, made unsubstantiated claims, and was just flat-out rude to everyone.

He was pretty much totally unprofessional.
Is there a reason "Team Virtual Dynamics" is in your signature? Do you actually support them, or are you being obnoxious?
post #36 of 89
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Originally Posted by 2deadeyes View Post
LOL...really good one

Honestly, I could care less about the "technology" that they use on these cables. All that matters is the music I'm getting from my system when using them.
Exactly. It is nice to know what goes into making the cables (and moreso without the fancy jargon) but the end result is what matters most. VD cables are certainly good at what they were meant to do and anyone who listens to one will know that.
post #37 of 89
Bottom line Virtual Dynamics cables may be hyped to an offensive level to some by PR but they are without a doubt as opined by more than just me to be very good cables for what they do in systems.

If wire is just wire then any old amp would sound the same as any other. Wires do have differing characteristics depending on what they do and how they do what they do. My crystal radio of the '50s era would be no better than any system you wanted to put it up against today if this were true. And some people do claim that all amps of a certain type (SS) sound the same and at some level this is true that they all do make noise if powered and plugged into a some type of sound transducer. If making a noise is your criteria then I guess it is true that there are no differences. This was just a rhetorical paragraph, BTW.
post #38 of 89
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Originally Posted by OverlordXenu View Post
I would be wary of listening to Acoustic Chef, I know him elsewhere, and when he was there (he was banned), he was very immature, made unsubstantiated claims, and was just flat-out rude to everyone.

He was pretty much totally unprofessional.
where else was he? are there a goldmine of posts of his somewhere else on the internet too..
post #39 of 89
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Originally Posted by IPodPJ View Post
VD cables are certainly good at what they were meant to do and anyone who listens to one will know that.
Guys after reading these comments, sorry but I feel like in the church on Sunday, guys this has not been written in stone by any prophet...

Are you 100% sure of those claims? Do you know all the persons in this whole green round planet that have pruchased Virtual Dynamic cables along time, and their respective opinions about the sound of them? Honestly, I would be very careful while stating things like that, and as everything in life, I doubt that any product, from any manufacturer in the world, will get only praises, we all know that there is no one size fits all, and what is good for ones, is not that good for others, and bad for some others, and I'm not saying that VD cables are good or bad, just that there is no need of being so absolutist, please just leave margin for other opinions as well...

If you read closely the OP was not even questioning the sound of the cables, or the manufacturer quality that IMO is very good, he was simply questioning the claims of the speed of light, and some other theories that he had read in their website and in others, and that is what the discussion is about, not about the sound, the OP never had questioned the sound of the cables...
post #40 of 89
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Originally Posted by IPodPJ View Post
VD cables are certainly good at what they were meant to do and anyone who listens to one will know that.
I'm sure they sound as good as any other cable. It's the price and the marketing claims that are the problem, not the sound. That's what we're discussing.

See ya
Steve
post #41 of 89
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Originally Posted by Febs View Post
I would be really concerned about relativistic effects of using these cables. I mean, wouldn't it be terrible if you listened to music for a couple of hours using these cables and then found that all of your friends and family had aged by several years because of the time dilation?
If anyone can tweak the laws of physics, God can. He provided the information in the dream, remember? And who are you to question Him, anyway?

post #42 of 89
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
Guys after reading these comments, sorry but I feel like in the church on Sunday, guys this has not been written in stone by any prophet...

Are you 100% sure of those claims? Do you know all the persons in this whole green round planet that have purchased Virtual Dynamic cables along time, and their respective opinions about the sound of them? Honestly, I would be very careful while stating things like that, and as everything in life, I doubt that any product, from any manufacturer in the world, will get only praises, we all know that there is no one size fits all, and what is good for ones, is not that good for others, and bad for some others, and I'm not saying that VD cables are good or bad, just that there is no need of being so absolutist, please just leave margin for other opinions as well...

If you read closely the OP was not even questioning the sound of the cables, or the manufacturer quality that IMO is very good, he was simply questioning the claims of the speed of light, and some other theories that he had read in their website and in others, and that is what the discussion is about, not about the sound, the OP never had questioned the sound of the cables...
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post
I'm sure they sound as good as any other cable. It's the price and the marketing claims that are the problem, not the sound. That's what we're discussing.

See ya
Steve
If it is not about the sound then what is it about, advertising? What product on the market could you not take to task in some way with it's advertising? People market in ways to distinguish and make their products memorable. This is one reason marketers trademark phrases so they can be remembered for only their products.

It seems that if it is not about the sound then it is about advertising and I will not take on the whole advertising world concerning that for sure. So if you want to be the "Don Quixote's" against the advertising world knock yourselves out. It is beginning to feel to me like you want to debate whether or not there a Santa Claus. Anyone and everyone above the sixth grade should know that there is no Santa Claus.

There is no "Speed of Light" in any real context going on here with the subject cables. It's PR, take a pill and enjoy the product for what it is. Be prudent and get a superior cable for a good price when you can. These cables do make a difference in the sound you may hear with the right equipment. I am glad that this is now not in play as an issue.

Note one more point about the sound qualities of these cables, now realizing that this is off topic. I would not say that the results that I am hearing are first order like the difference between two amps or two different headphones but much more subtle but still meaningful with adequately revealing equipment. I would think with an old transistor radio from the 60s that I would have real hard time determining cable differences if any at all.

So go knock yourselves out concerning the advertising world...enjoy yourselves. But one final question, why focus on Virtual Dynamics alone when you (not just the two people quoted above) can widen this question when so many PR claims are available from other companies? Do any of you have any associations with other cable manufacturer's that should be disclosed? This final question may not be so rhetorical.
post #43 of 89
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Originally Posted by slwiser View Post
If it is not about the sound then what is it about, advertising? What product on the market could you not take to task in some way with it's advertising? People market in ways to distinguish and make their products memorable. This is one reason marketers trademark phrases so they can be remembered for only their products.

It seems that if it is not about the sound then it is about advertising and I will not take on the whole advertising world concerning that for sure. So if you want to be the "Don Quixote's" against the advertising world knock yourselves out. It is beginning to feel to me like you want to debate whether or not there a Santa Claus. Anyone and everyone above the sixth grade should know that there is no Santa Claus.

There is no "Speed of Light" in any real context going on here with the subject cables. It's PR, take a pill and enjoy the product for what it is. Be prudent and get a superior cable for a good price when you can. These cables do make a difference in the sound you may hear with the right equipment. I am glad that this is now not in play as an issue.

Note one more point about the sound qualities of these cables, now realizing that this is off topic. I would not say that the results that I am hearing are first order like the difference between two amps or two different headphones but much more subtle but still meaningful with adequately revealing equipment. I would think with an old transistor radio from the 60s that I would have real hard time determining cable differences if any at all.

So go knock yourselves out concerning the advertising world...enjoy yourselves. But one final question, why focus on Virtual Dynamics alone when you (not just the two people quoted above) can widen this question when so many PR claims are available from other companies? Do any of you have any associations with other cable manufacturer's that should be disclosed? This final question may not be so rhetorical.
Sorry but why not quoting the OP instead, he was the one questioning the claims, I just cleared what he was indeed questioning, as other members took the wrong approach, and began to talk about the sound, again if you read the very first post, you will realize that he never questioned the sound, and I never questioned the sound, I didn't even question the claims neither, he was the one questioning the claims on the website...

I did question though, the approach of making the cables a one size fits all, which certainly they are not, for good that they will be...as nothing in audio is...
post #44 of 89
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Originally Posted by furball View Post
No, it wasn't meant to be a joke.

Now that I think about, I distinctly remember that it was actually the founder of Virtual Dynamics who made that proclaimation. He was quite serious at the time. There were long threads over at audiogon, where he vigorously defended his dream and his creation.
I think this must be a bad memory since I can't seem to find any references to such a statement in this context. I find that Virtual Dynamics has used the term "Dream" for helping us build our dream sound but nothing like what you have suggested and has gotten so much play in this thread.

Please help me since I am a skeptic when it comes to the statement that you opened this thread with as fact. Most of us here have apparently assumed it to be true from how we have responded to this the statement concerning the Dream that God gave. He could have made some similar statement about a dream to only have been misunderstood and misquoted so please provide a link to AudiogoN forum where you read this. I could not find it. I know I have had ideals that came to me in dreams but I would not say that God gave them to me; at least not all the time.

I can appreciate your skepticism in attempting to understand Virtual Dynamics advertising but your attribution to what the VD representative has said so far needs to be substantiated itself. I hope this comes off as being helpful instead of confrontational. If he did say it please help me find it.
post #45 of 89
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Originally Posted by Sovkiller View Post
Sorry but why not quoting the OP instead, he was the one questioning the claims, I just cleared what he was indeed questioning, as other members took the wrong approach, and began to talk about the sound, again if you read the very first post, you will realize that he never questioned the sound, and I never questioned the sound, I didn't even question the claims neither, he was the one questioning the claims on the website...

I did question though, the approach of making the cables a one size fits all, which certainly they are not, for good that they will be...as nothing in audio is...
Yep, you right. I should have quoted the OP and that is why is followed-up with my next post. This occurred to me in a dream just after posting that next to last post.
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