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post #181 of 245
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Originally Posted by karloil View Post

^ yeah, don't thank me....i got to ask the question/s. imo, if they have the money to burn on getting those expensive cables, then why not - it's that thing that floats their boat! biggrin.gif

How true. Unfortunately they convince others to toss their cash on the same bonfire. Then again, I've bought can's that I should have known better not to. :blink: They actually did work and weren't endorsed by a tone deaf personality. I can't wait till the Kardashian by Monster cans come out, NOT.

post #182 of 245
I just finished a three week trial with three different solid silver cables. I've now gone back to the original copper cables I've been using. There is a difference in what I heard with the silver giving more detail and portraying a more open, natural sound with less power needed to hear it. Going back to the copper cable has a negative impact IMO. The music isn't as engaging. It has nothing to do with the build because they are all built well. The question is if I feel it worth the value for the difference, but as far as hearing a difference, I could. I could also hear a difference between the three different silver cables. More conductors and better fittings gave more details at lower volumes. It would be interesting to try the better fittings with the lower number of conductors.

There are a large percentage of hobbyists that use silver in their rigs. They do not choose silver because of status. No one wants to spend more for no reason. It's not arrogance of wealth that motivates them. So science needs to do a better job at what they offer than "there is no difference" and introducing human defect and placebo as proof. Judgement nuts have no help to offer so justify their stance by financial condemnation and ridicule. The only way of finding truth is to research and experience. Don't be lazy if you're truly interested. Finding pied pipers to back an ignorant point of view isn't answering the question. Cheapskate Templars are popular for a reason.
post #183 of 245
well, we can really just all agree to disagree...imo, it will now depend on the person's hearing plus if they are willing to shell out the money...will rest my case to a topic where it will always be a very well debated piece.
post #184 of 245
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Originally Posted by karloil View Post

well, we can really just all agree to disagree...

 

Not really, no. This isn't an issue that's just a matter of opinion, like "Who's the most beautiful actress?" There is an actual truth that exists here. Either there are actual audible differences between copper and silver or there isn't. There is no in between.

 

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post #185 of 245
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post
 

 

Not really, no. This isn't an issue that's just a matter of opinion, like "Who's the most beautiful actress?" There is an actual truth that exists here. Either there are actual audible differences between copper and silver or there isn't. There is no in between.

 

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Sofia Vergara.

post #186 of 245
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Originally Posted by Chris_Himself View Post

Sofia Vergara.

No no, Mila Kunis!

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post #187 of 245
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post


No no, Mila Kunis!

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Tie game. We all win!

post #188 of 245
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Tie game. We all win!

Yay!

*sits on front porch waiting for Mila to show up*

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post #189 of 245
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post

Not really, no. This isn't an issue that's just a matter of opinion, like "Who's the most beautiful actress?" There is an actual truth that exists here. Either there are actual audible differences between copper and silver or there isn't. There is no in between.

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ahhh...well said, well said...
post #190 of 245

i dont think i have ever taken a subjective reasoning like price of a cable to buffer what i hear as far as sound differences. i know that is brought up alot, but i dont recall being like ''well i spent $300 on this cable and thats why its going to sound good'' personally i just listen.and come up with a conclusion that way.

post #191 of 245
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post
 

 

Not really, no. This isn't an issue that's just a matter of opinion, like "Who's the most beautiful actress?" There is an actual truth that exists here. Either there are actual audible differences between copper and silver or there isn't. There is no in between.

 

se

Only if you want one to be there.

I hear voices in my head and they're coming from my headphones. :happy_face1:

post #192 of 245
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post
 

 

Not really, no. This isn't an issue that's just a matter of opinion, like "Who's the most beautiful actress?" There is an actual truth that exists here. Either there are actual audible differences between copper and silver or there isn't. There is no in between.

 

se

 

...and there is. IMO

 

Its easy to prove, take one copper and one silver interconnect and join an amp/dac together.  Trust me if one channel sounds different from the other you will notice.

 

Granted things like resistance and capacitance do matter so a crappy $1 cable and a quality cable of the same material will sound different which will complicate matters even further. Therefore a truly scientific like for like comparison isn't really possible.

 

Besides if you dont believe your better off, put your wallet back in your pocket and walk away.  Ignorance is bliss and all that..

post #193 of 245
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Originally Posted by mcandmar View Post

 

Its easy to prove, take one copper and one silver interconnect and join an amp/dac together.  Trust me if one channel sounds different from the other you will notice.

 

 

If that's your criteria for proof, then you should also have photographs of yourself in your freezer, little bags of rocks taped to all your audio gear and other assorted silliness as those things are also purported to make your system sound different.

 

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 Granted things like resistance and capacitance do matter so a crappy $1 cable and a quality cable of the same material will sound different which will complicate matters even further. Therefore a truly scientific like for like comparison isn't really possible.

 

If there is an actual audible difference, it won't complicate matters at all and a scientific like for like comparison is indeed possible.

 

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 Besides if you dont believe your better off, put your wallet back in your pocket and walk away.  Ignorance is bliss and all that..

 

But when one tries to pass their beliefs off as fact, then they have the burden of proof. And in these past several decades, no one has ever demonstrated conclusively that cables produce audible differences unless they're very poorly designed or broken. And again, there's no "agree to disagree" here.

 

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post #194 of 245
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Originally Posted by mcandmar View Post

...and there is. IMO



Granted things like resistance and capacitance do matter so a crappy $1 cable and a quality cable of the same material will sound different which will complicate matters even further. Therefore a truly scientific like for like comparison isn't really possible.

So all the scientific properties you mentioned are measurable, their effect on sound is not. How naive.
post #195 of 245
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Originally Posted by mcandmar View Post

Besides if you dont believe your better off, put your wallet back in your pocket and walk away.  Ignorance is bliss and all that..

Judgement without proof. Way to go.
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