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post #166 of 245
You have to spend money to make cables. or buy them. you really cant make a fair judgement being an arm chair quarter back. most noobs get caught up on the looks of the cables. that is not me or my peeps (quote name="Jam_Master_J" url="/t/292127/copper-vs-silver-cables/150#post_9562705"]My opinion is not valid because I don't have hundreds of dollars sunk into parts that, in my experience, make so significant difference to the sound?  I've got nothing against listening subjectively, I pick all my other parts based on sound not specs.

Yes I do legitimately do believe people are pulled in with a certain kind of placebo effect and that it could be associated with their perceptions of things that are more physical and less electrical.  I'd bet money that if you prepared two identical audio systems and put one in a bigger, industrial style enclosure and one in a very finely machined enclosure with visible smaller cables you would see words like "nimble", "delicate" and "fast" thrown at the little one more often and words like "full" and "anchored" on the large one.  The theoretical differences between cables are in a whole other order of magnitude below the influence of our own personal expectations, mood, visual ques.  I know we'd like to think we aren't influenced by these things but we are.
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post #167 of 245

been reading this thread and it's quite helpful to see different opinions on copper and silver. however, i hope you can also help me with my question and share your insights - will a few inches of interconnect - lets say 2-3inches matter on which type of cable i use? (copper, spc or silver).

post #168 of 245
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Originally Posted by karloil View Post
 

been reading this thread and it's quite helpful to see different opinions on copper and silver. however, i hope you can also help me with my question and share your insights - will a few inches of interconnect - lets say 2-3inches matter on which type of cable i use? (copper, spc or silver).

 

Yes, even if its a few inches like 2-3 inches, the interconnects are transfering signal, and different materials conduct and have better conductivity than another, like copper vs silver....so in short the answer is yes. i have A'd and B using pure silver cable but with a copper interconnect, and then with a matching pure silver interconnect and there was a difference.

post #169 of 245
thanks for the feedback!
post #170 of 245
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Originally Posted by karloil View Post

been reading this thread and it's quite helpful to see different opinions on copper and silver. however, i hope you can also help me with my question and share your insights - will a few inches of interconnect - lets say 2-3inches matter on which type of cable i use? (copper, spc or silver).
With that length you will not get the benefit as much as you think. I would make a few cables and give a good listen. You may or may not hear a difference at that length.It sounds that the length may be for portable use and you do pay a premium for decent gear.For home gear I do reccomend at least a meter of getting full benefit of these cables. My 2 cents
post #171 of 245
thanks for your insights too! yes, it's for portable use.
post #172 of 245
Take into consideration materials, conductivity of materials and clenliness of the conductivity of the signals path. I honestly do feel it makes a difference.

I was using a super annealed sxc24 alo audio cable with my algorhythm solo the switched to the whiplash pure silver scscag 24awg cable and it made a big difference.

I also went and paired all my cables to the toxic silver poison and I noticed a difference in sound quality over the ali sxc24 cables.

Thats just ny personal experience. Just saying
post #173 of 245
Absolutely, just imagine those cables 3 feet long or even 6. ALO has great stuff.
post #174 of 245
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Yes, even if its a few inches like 2-3 inches, the interconnects are transfering signal, and different materials conduct and have better conductivity than another, like copper vs silver....so in short the answer is yes.

Conductivity is a pretty meaningless term on its own. In the real world when considering something like a cable, conductivity boils down to resistance. And the rsistance of a given wire will be determined by its gauge and it's length.

So while silver may have a higher conductivity than copper, using just a very slightly larger copper conductor (the conductivity of silver is only about 6% greater than copper) will result in the same resistance as a silver wire.

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post #175 of 245
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Conductivity is a pretty meaningless term on its own. In the real world when considering something like a cable, conductivity boils down to resistance. And the rsistance of a given wire will be determined by its gauge and it's length.

So while silver may have a higher conductivity than copper, using just a very slightly larger copper conductor (the conductivity of silver is only about 6% greater than copper) will result in the same resistance as a silver wire.

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i have a bunch of spc wires, 22 and 26 awg. i plan to put 2 wires per channel, each channel would have both 22 and 26awg wires - tried this before but i never had a chance to do an A/B comparison with just single wire per channel 26awg interconnect, i never had enough plugs to try it.

post #176 of 245

i got to test the theory myself, i made 2 ICs. first was using TWag v2 - 1 wire per channel, neutrik plugs. the IC was just 1.2" in length. the second was using spc - 2 wires per channel, rean plugs, its 3" in length. i know there's still a lot of variables but i did notice that the first IC gave me a louder volume....aside from that, i really can't hear anything else....time for a blind test! :D

post #177 of 245
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Originally Posted by karloil View Post
 

been reading this thread and it's quite helpful to see different opinions on copper and silver. however, i hope you can also help me with my question and share your insights - will a few inches of interconnect - lets say 2-3inches matter on which type of cable i use? (copper, spc or silver).

IMO, not a spec of difference unless that materials are very defective. I know this is a hot topic, but IMO at the driving impedances and audio frequencies/wavelengths the resistance and capacitance of a reasonable quality cable shouldn't make a difference, even at ten feet. Just my opinion, an electrical engineer that has designed electronic music synthesizers and has had analog electronic hardware designs certified by the National Bureau of Standards. In any case anyone is free to feel as they think and enjoy their stuff to the fullest. If it sounds good, it's fun.

post #178 of 245
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IMO, not a spec of difference unless that materials are very defective. I know this is a hot topic, but IMO at the driving impedances and audio frequencies/wavelengths the resistance and capacitance of a reasonable quality cable shouldn't make a difference, even at ten feet. Just my opinion, an electrical engineer that has designed electronic music synthesizers and has had analog electronic hardware designs certified by the National Bureau of Standards. In any case anyone is free to feel as they think and enjoy their stuff to the fullest. If it sounds good, it's fun.

Thanks Karl for the explanation. It seems that there are plenty of variables to be considered.
post #179 of 245

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Originally Posted by StanD View Post

IMO, not a spec of difference unless that materials are very defective. I know this is a hot topic, but IMO at the driving impedances and audio frequencies/wavelengths the resistance and capacitance of a reasonable quality cable shouldn't make a difference, even at ten feet. Just my opinion, an electrical engineer that has designed electronic music synthesizers and has had analog electronic hardware designs certified by the National Bureau of Standards. In any case anyone is free to feel as they think and enjoy their stuff to the fullest. If it sounds good, it's fun.

Originally Posted by JohnSantana View Post


Thanks Karl for the explanation. It seems that there are plenty of variables to be considered.

I'm Stan, Karl asked the question. There's a lot of myths and opinions about cables. Unfortunately many people get upset when someone disputes these. Keep it friendly folks. :happy_face1:

post #180 of 245
^ yeah, don't thank me....i got to ask the question/s. imo, if they have the money to burn on getting those expensive cables, then why not - it's that thing that floats their boat! biggrin.gif
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