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Yeah I'm not trying to say cables don't make a difference because I have seen way more people that instantly notice a difference. I have noticed speaker wire is up in debate while almost everyone agrees recabling headphones makes a difference. I have just read so many articles about blind tests and how a rusty coat hanger scrubbed off at the ends will transfer a signal just as good as any copper wire and how interconnects don't make any difference but speaker wire could or another article will say nothing makes and audio able change or everything does its so confusing.

 

Also the advantage of resistance that silver has over copper is nothing compared to using one gauge bigger of copper, like 5% to %40 IIRC. So Silver must have some other magic property that makes it perform different from copper.

 

But even Fostexs and Denon must agree with OFC sounding better cabling higher up headphones with better cables.

 

And people say gold sounds even better, and you know what I bet platinum is even better and cut up 100 dollar bills and diamonds even better.

 

Wouldn't the ultimate audiophile system be a DAC welded, either directly or with a solid chunk of copper, to the amp and then directly welded to the speaker voice coil?

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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

The goal in this hobby is removing every contaminant from the signal so that it can be as pure as possible at the driver. Cost constraints will limit the purity of signal. We find as many weaknesses and minimize them but there is still some level of contamination because of the physics of a system. The simpler and shorter the better. Ideally, the output of the analog section of the source should go directly to the input of the amps gain stage. Putting extra connectors, wire, solder, etc. adds to the contamination. The least amount of RLC from ideal that is added to the circuit will sound the best. If we have to live with some preconditions in the components, that's the cost. You can order gear with silver internal wiring, solder, transformers, etc. if ya wanna, for a cost. The goal of a vendor isn't to make the best possible gear but least amount of compromises for the cost.
Looking at the insides, most of the money spent on a piece is it's power supply. The signal circuit is kept as minimal as possible.
KISS applies.

I agree, but another thing I don't get is why "PURE" even sounds good when the cables used to record the stuff and in the electronic instruments them selves aren't even close to the same quality, most people seem to jump on OFC and then get into Teflon or PE dielectric but beyond that its a crazy world of audiophiles and headphone nuts that every one else thinks is crazy.


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post #152 of 157
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Originally Posted by ScaryFatKidGT View Post

I agree, but another thing I don't get is why "PURE" even sounds good when the cables used to record the stuff and in the electronic instruments them selves aren't even close to the same quality, most people seem to jump on OFC and then get into Teflon or PE dielectric but beyond that its a crazy world of audiophiles and headphone nuts that every one else thinks is crazy.

 

I keep my feet on the ground by periodically remembering this fact. There's no point in using anything better than the recording studio, who will typically use high quality components interconnected with unbranded bargain bucket cables.

post #153 of 157
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Originally Posted by Agarvaen View Post

When upgrading cables would you say interconnects for AMP and DAC are more important or headphone cable?

 

Depends on the output impedance of each device I suppose. A device with high output impedance will pick up more noise in the downstream cable than a device with low output impedance. This is why you can use unshielded speaker wire out of a power amp (very low output impedance) but may need a shielded interconnect (if your DAC or whatever has a high output impedance).

 

It's also the only reason I can think of for needing a fancy headphone cable (if your headphone amp has a high output impedance *cough tube amp cough* perhaps it could pick up noise in the cable?).

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Originally Posted by ScaryFatKidGT View Post
 

Yeah I'm not trying to say cables don't make a difference because I have seen way more people that instantly notice a difference. I have noticed speaker wire is up in debate while almost everyone agrees recabling headphones makes a difference. I have just read so many articles about blind tests and how a rusty coat hanger scrubbed off at the ends will transfer a signal just as good as any copper wire and how interconnects don't make any difference but speaker wire could or another article will say nothing makes and audio able change or everything does its so confusing.

 

Also the advantage of resistance that silver has over copper is nothing compared to using one gauge bigger of copper, like 5% to %40 IIRC. So Silver must have some other magic property that makes it perform different from copper.

 

But even Fostexs and Denon must agree with OFC sounding better cabling higher up headphones with better cables.

 

And people say gold sounds even better, and you know what I bet platinum is even better and cut up 100 dollar bills and diamonds even better.

 

Wouldn't the ultimate audiophile system be a DAC welded, either directly or with a solid chunk of copper, to the amp and then directly welded to the speaker voice coil?

I agree, but another thing I don't get is why "PURE" even sounds good when the cables used to record the stuff and in the electronic instruments them selves aren't even close to the same quality, most people seem to jump on OFC and then get into Teflon or PE dielectric but beyond that its a crazy world of audiophiles and headphone nuts that every one else thinks is crazy.

 

diamond in the bowers and wilkins speakers actually do sound pretty good tongue.gif

sorry for derailing the thread...

post #155 of 157
Waiting for my new cables that I'm diying to come in the mail, I got ofc copper for the headphones, and silver for the interconnect. I did it because I read silver has very good highs and definition, and copper has good lows.. u know what I mean I'm trying to have a piece of both worlds. This is my first time with cable audiophiles so I'm still not sure if it will make a difference in sound but theyre gunna look awsome so eather way ill be happy with them
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Waiting for my new cables that I'm diying to come in the mail, I got ofc copper for the headphones, and silver for the interconnect. I did it because I read silver has very good highs and definition, and copper has good lows.. u know what I mean I'm trying to have a piece of both worlds. This is my first time with cable audiophiles so I'm still not sure if it will make a difference in sound but theyre gunna look awsome so eather way ill be happy with them

you should try out SPC . Silver Plated Copper. this kind of cable gives you what you are looking for. its copper gives you the dynamic lows, yet also the silver brightens up the overall sound, mainly in the mids and highs.

 

with the copper cable and silver interconnect it should give you what you are looking for.

post #157 of 157
Thanks I ended up canceling that order because I realised I needed 5 feet of cable not 3 and I cant afford to spend 90 dollars on wire so I got Mogami ofc copper instead. By the way I want to recommend to everyone my Gaofei OFC rhodium plated RCA connectors which are amazing imo just as good if not better than Eichmann Silver Bullets I've borrowed from my father. It's a Chinese product but most of you know the Chinese take hifi seriously, there is no Chinese quality stereotype here. And they don't seem to inflate the hell out of their prices eather like American companies that's why I'm stressing this. I hate to see hard working people like myself empty theirs wallet on overpriced products. There 45 dollars a set of 4 on eBay and the seller is very trustworthy. here's the link http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=330896858332&index=6&nav=SEARCH&nid=72197115401
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