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Originally Posted by goodolcheez View Post

resistivity values means squat.  It doesn't give you the final result of how each cables perform.

 

But resistivity is the only thing the conductors themselves have to offer. Unless you want to talk about ferromagnetic materials or what may be going on down below the thermal noise of the wire itself. The rest is just geometry and dielectric materials.

 

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post #122 of 245
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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post

Just how is that trolling or spamming? And what's this "we" business? You speak for yourself and nobody else, pal.
 

Ah kind of nevermind what I said earlier....

"-silver 15.9
-copper 17.1
-gold 22.1"

 

The information on the resistivity is correct, but the poster made lame comment which should be removed as fast as possible. Psychology my butt....

 

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Quote:Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post

And what's this "we" business? You speak for yourself and nobody else, pal.

You and I. :)

 

Pal.....

 

p.s. You kind of look good with that sun glasses.  Next you need a cigar....  Perfect.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post

 

But resistivity is the only thing the conductors themselves have to offer. Unless you want to talk about ferromagnetic materials or what may be going on down below the thermal noise of the wire itself. The rest is just geometry and dielectric materials.

 

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I was looking at the chart wrong.  Nevermind


Edited by goodolcheez - 6/29/12 at 12:04pm
post #123 of 245
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Originally Posted by RockinCannoisseur View Post

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Originally Posted by rodentmacbeastie View Post
Personally, I think at test where the listener does not know a damn thing about anything is best Philadox. This way there should be no preconceived ideas or conclusions. My opinion with copper and silver and even gold or construction techniques is irrelevant as long as they are built to last. In the end, the best way is to buy a few pairs, listen to them and sell the others you don't like. Besides, I am a firm believer that the information is always present regardless of the cable, the difference in sound in just your perception. Your perception of that information CAN make cables sound different though. I am not talking about placebo at all either. I truly believe that the material and construction method used cannot alter the sound, just your perception of it! My gold plated silver/copper/gold alloy cables sound best to me but I am not suggesting that there is more or less info, bass weight, treble smoothness, or midrange purity, just that my body and mind work better alongside these materials.

When I am happy and healthy, silver and copper sound very similar to me. At a little stress, lack of sleep(my problem) and the silver is very tiring and often bright in my system. The alloy I am using tends to sound the same all of the time. This is why EE will often argue that there is no way the metal used can mechanically alter the sound, because they don't(IMHO)! It happens to sound different on a level that occurs in your physiology. The whole metaphysical thing! Nobel prize winning scientists(not EE's) believe in the metaphysical attributes of conductors so I feel OK about my ideas. Not to say that EE's ideas are not sound, just that they generally regurgitate theory accepted as fact and taught to them, not create theory to further science. However, if my and some of the top research minds' theories do not please you and you want a empirical approach, carbon is by far a better conductor over any of the previously mentioned.

Here are the resistivity values for a few [ρ (nΩ·m)]
-silicon dioxide(1300 °C) 0.004
-carbon, amorphous 0.35
-germanium 0.46
-carbon, diamond 2.7
-silver 15.9
-copper 17.1
-gold 22.1
-tungsten 52.8
-zinc 59
-brass 64
-nickel 69.3
-lithium 92.8
-iron 96.1
-platinum 105
-palladium 105.4
-tin (0 °C) 115
-solder 150

So, based on resistive numbers alone(I hate to do that), silver betters copper only by a little and it all becomes mute when you see the resistance in the solder used to hold them together. Keep in mind that non-metal semi-conductors must be doped to achieve good results. Find a way to join wires and not use solder and you will find that could mean more of an improvement. Also, this may show why high carbon cables are the best for performance but are not practical due to their very fragile and rigid nature. If you want the best bar none, heat up your new silicon dioxide cables to 1300 degrees since it is very resistive at room temp. I am thinking that the best results for getting the best from you circuit is to point to point wire it and then gold plate everything(especially the solder). Why gold plate and not silver? CORROSION IS VERY BAD FOR CONDUCTIVITY! I could be wrong but the information I read was from three dudes who won the Nobel science prize for work in semiconductors. However, I thought the resistivity and conductivity are similar but not the same... Maybe an EE can verify this before I preach this as the gospel according to Rodent.

interesting bumpification

 

That guy did bring up good point about human's ability to listen and articulate the differences sound quality between cables. The sound they hear changes depending on their "health level".  If you are tired, you will definitely lose sensitivity with hearing.  It's not the hardware fault, it's you in this case. But that's your problem. Have some good food, take plenty of rest. Oh take some vitamins too. See you next day. You will feel better.

 

Rule Number 1:   Don't do critiquing on sound when you are tired.  This is incredibly stupid idea...  Don't go drink pops and eat other junk food... they are not good for you.  Eat healthy food. 

 

This is a good suggestion. Take note.


Edited by goodolcheez - 7/1/12 at 7:48am
post #124 of 245

You're just a bit too prescriptive in your comments and authoritarian in your register. Even the most knowledgeable of head-fi members (and some are extremely knowledgeable when it comes to electrical engineering/the physics of sound) have the courtesy to respond politely when they know they are 100% right. If you feel you are right, there's no need to try to verbally beat somebody down because of it. Be a gentleman about it when you disagree with what somebody says and I think you'll find that you'll have many more positive interactions with your fellow members.
 

post #125 of 245
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Originally Posted by goodolcheez View Post

Wrong bumpification.  It's more like trolling or spamming.  We do not tolerate spamming here.

 

resistivity values means squat.  It doesn't give you the final result of how each cables perform.  it's meaningless and worthless info that should have been removed from thread, not bumpification.  This is a huge fail.

 

Am I? Really? Let's see you try infracting me because of spamming then.

 

If not, keep your peace. beerchug.gif

post #126 of 245
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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post

You're just a bit too prescriptive in your comments and authoritarian in your register. Even the most knowledgeable of head-fi members (and some are extremely knowledgeable when it comes to electrical engineering/the physics of sound) have the courtesy to respond politely when they know they are 100% right. If you feel you are right, there's no need to try to verbally beat somebody down because of it. Be a gentleman about it when you disagree with what somebody says and I think you'll find that you'll have many more positive interactions with your fellow members.
 

 

Well said.

post #127 of 245

Wow can't believe I almost missed this thread. I'm all about this stuff. Make most of my cables.popcorn.gif

post #128 of 245
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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post

You're just a bit too prescriptive in your comments and authoritarian in your register. Even the most knowledgeable of head-fi members (and some are extremely knowledgeable when it comes to electrical engineering/the physics of sound) have the courtesy to respond politely when they know they are 100% right. If you feel you are right, there's no need to try to verbally beat somebody down because of it. Be a gentleman about it when you disagree with what somebody says and I think you'll find that you'll have many more positive interactions with your fellow members.
 

 

Thank you for the suggestion, teacher!

 

Sometimes you gotta be tough on these naysayers....  sometimes aggression is needed.

 

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Originally Posted by BIG POPPA View Post

Wow can't believe I almost missed this thread. I'm all about this stuff. Make most of my cables.popcorn.gif

 

Good man.... please keep it up.  We need the forum filled with people like you....  Gimme some of that pop corn.

post #129 of 245
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Originally Posted by goodolcheez View Post

 

Thank you for the suggestion, teacher!

 

Sometimes you gotta be tough on these naysayers....  sometimes aggression is needed.

 

 

Good man.... please keep it up.  We need the forum filled with people like you....  Gimme some of that pop corn.


Ha! It's all good.

post #130 of 245
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post

 

But resistivity is the only thing the conductors themselves have to offer. Unless you want to talk about ferromagnetic materials or what may be going on down below the thermal noise of the wire itself. The rest is just geometry and dielectric materials.

 

se

 

Do you think superconducting materials would sound better? They have the lowest resistance, right? Has someone tried that? 

I'm sure it sounds 'cooler' wink.gif.

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Steve Eddy is one of those who likes to dismiss without trying out for himself. It is is all theoretical with himwink.gif

post #132 of 245
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Originally Posted by proton007 View Post

 

Do you think superconducting materials would sound better? They have the lowest resistance, right? Has someone tried that? 

I'm sure it sounds 'cooler' wink.gif.

 

You should probably read up more on the current batch of superconductors.

At room temperature, the resistance of this material is quite high. In fact

the copper sheath that encloses the material is the only thing that actually

can conduct at room temperature. Being a very thin layer, the resistance

is at least 10 ohms per foot.

post #133 of 245
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Originally Posted by BIG POPPA View Post

Steve Eddy is one of those who likes to dismiss without trying out for himself. It is is all theoretical with himwink.gif

 

And you know what I've tried and haven't tried how, exactly?

 

Tell us, Carnac the Magnificent, what haven't I tried?

 

Either that or keep your baseless personal attacks to yourself.

 

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post #134 of 245
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Originally Posted by proton007 View Post

 

Do you think superconducting materials would sound better? They have the lowest resistance, right? Has someone tried that? 

I'm sure it sounds 'cooler' wink.gif.

 

tongue.gif

 

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post #135 of 245
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Originally Posted by kevin gilmore View Post

 

You should probably read up more on the current batch of superconductors.

At room temperature, the resistance of this material is quite high.

 

Nonsense. Jack Bybee has been selling room temperature superconductors for years. biggrin.gif

 

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