Should I Get the Etymotic ER4P? - Page 2

okies sure, you know why i post the same thing about the same phones, ill tell you, its because it my OPINION, and your opinion does not change over time if you dont continue to own them, what is your problem with me giving my opinion on these phones, i have told you i dont OWN all the phones in my sig i simply have owned them for a most of 2 weeks at a time. i used to own the sensas but the sensas fell apart. i still own my shures and ue10 and will post a pic of both when i get hold of a dc so stop abusing the same person because you dont agree with his opinion

and unless your blind then why cant you see im actually praising the ety's i mean cant you read?? i just said they are suited to some music over others

Well, let's just say you used to have Denon C700 in your signature and claimed that you got them through a 2 weeks try-out at your local Apple Store, but the Apple Store in question never carried this pair of phones in stock... got this information from a very reliable source.

yeh i know your reliable source, me and that source had a run in over that where i also claimed i may have got them from amazon also, but you see i have owned many, but not for very long, i get them from various places, some amazon, some ebay, some the apple store, and some guitar centre, among others, so when i have not owned a pair for about a year its hard to recall maybe where, so i usually say the apple store because this is the best place to get them with guaranteed return so i tell everyone to go there.

like i said to that source i would attempt to get an invoice or receit an post a pic of it but as of today have been unable to prove i have owned the denon's because the seller could not issue a receit to me when i did not rebuy the product

That's funny, you're 19 years old and can't remember where you buy things...

yes i am 19 and yes i can remember where i buy things, its just what things and where is hard to know when im constantly buying and returning phones to different sellers, one or 2 have been from private sellers on amazon where it has been very very difficult to get my money back, exactly what phones they were im not sure, could have been um2 and um1 but then im not sure, do you see where im going here?

i tried to explain this to your stubborn source but ofcourse when i confuse myself and others then they do have reason to believe im feeding ya'll bulls***.

but ill get you that pic, mark these words and prepare to eat your words friend

Anyone who speaks of bass "roll-off" in reference in the ER-4S is likely not familiar with the meaning of that term. The ER-4S has excellent bass extension, it merely isn't prominent in the bass region because it doesn't have that mid-bass bump that most people have gotten used to.

The truth about bass and perception is that a mid-bass bump accentuates overtones and your brain will "reconstruct" the missing fundamental. This is how a bumped up mid-bass sounds like deep bass.

Missing fundamental - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

roll off means the lowering of volume. and i certainly heard that with the ety's when compared to others in the deeper registers

I agree with you on that, the Etymotic bass isn't "big", but it's certainly not rolled off. I don't usually post graphs, but this shows pretty much the different between rolled-off bass with mid-bass hump and neutral presentation:

i do follow those graphs and do find them to be pretty accurate, and theres no doubt the er4's are flat and accurate, but bass is the quieter end of the spectrum which is why many manufacturers boost the bass response so its more accurate to the ear. im not 100% certain of that but will look it up and see if i can back up that theory

ahh here we go this could be where i got that idea:

''A "natural sounding" headphone should have a gentle hump in the bass (about 3 or 4 dB) between 40Hz and 500Hz. This compensates for the fact that headphones don’t give you the physical punch or 'impact' that the sound waves from a room speaker have; so a slight compensation for increased bass response is needed for natural sound. Headphones also need to be rolled-off in the highs to compensate for the drivers being so close to the ear; a gently sloping flat line from 1kHz to about 8-10dB down at 20kHz is about right.'' quoted headroom.

i should point out at this point 3-4 db is not a huge amount but enough to hear the bass because as i said its the quieter end of the spectrum.

*EDIT* i should also point out they say that a roll off in highs is natural but the er4's are not the ones that do this like others do, which may explain the harsh sound some experience.

but does natural = accurate? i dont know? accurate is a flat line from 20hz to 20khz, but natural (at least in headphones) differs from this theory alot

Starsky5000 - apologies in advance for going off topic here, but I'd like to respond to jinx who had the audacity to call me stubborn just because I proved he was a major liar.
I promise I won't respond to him again in this thread!!

jinx20001 - If you plan to insult me without stating the facts - then you should be prepared to accept the consequences.

For anyone interested in the truth - I caught jinx out a couple of months ago, when he tangled himself up in several lies about owning/trying the Denon C700.

They suddenly appeared quietly, and as if by magic in his list of 'Top 5' headphones. As he's always been extremely vocal about the phones he's 'tried' - I was surprised he hadn't infested the forum with his 'opinion' about them, so I asked when he tried them.

His first story

He tried them at his local Apple store in Birmingham for 2 weeks as per Apple's policy, but very quickly added they would 'probably' not show up on the website as the stock was different???

My friend (who wanted to try the Denons), also lives in Birmingham and actually uses jinx's local Apple store in the Bullring centre, so I told him the website stock wasn't a problem.
She could wander down there and try them for herself.

As soon as he realised my friend would be going to his local store, he changed his story and said that now he couldn't remember if he'd tried them there. Well, that part was actually true, because when my friend went there - she was told they'd never stocked them.

Nice wasted trip courtesy of jinx.

His second story was that he bought them from Amazon UK and returned them.

Amazon UK have never stocked them either. How do I know? I called them before I bought mine from eBay to ask if they had any plans to stock them. The answer was 'No'.

His third story was that he bought them from Amazon.com and returned them.

BUT - Amazon.com don't ship Electronics outside the USA. You can put items in your basket - but you can't pay for them once the IP address is logged as being outside the USA.

It's the same with Amazon UK - they won't ship Electronics outside the UK.

His fourth story was that he thought he might have bought them from the marketplace at Amazon.com - and returned them

BUT - Amazon still blocks the purchase once the IP address is logged so he didn't buy them there either.

His fifth story was that he thought he may have bought them 'privately' via Paypal from one of the marketplace sellers at Amazon.com.

He then offered to scan in a receipt to PROVE it - but conveniently couldn't locate the receipt and had no proof of purchase.

I told him to forget it, I wasn't interested and I knew he was a liar.

I didn't even bother to remind him that had he paid by Paypal (as per the fifth story) - his transaction would have been logged in his 'history'.

But I could not be bothered to embarrass him any further - until now.

However, I really object to being called stubborn by a jumped-up little squirt who knows nothing about nothing and I will not sit back and let him insult me without him taking some of the flack.

This is the same **** who followed me over to iLounge and left an insulting response to my comments about the Shure SE420.

Because I'd had the 'nerve' to say I preferred the sound of the Shure SE210 - he replied that if that was true - I should just give up and admit I was lying about ever having owned the 420s - because EVERYONE knew dual driver headphones were better. I left him a fitting reply. . .

Interesting - as the Denon thread was started at the end of August and he admitted he hadn't heard any Denon stuff then. That was 5 months ago.


jinx - you seem to rile just about everyone, you're insulting, aggressive and you're a LIAR.

You write stuff that you've lifted from other threads and then claim it as your own 'view'. You lie so much you can't keep track of what you've said.

Remember telling someone that the Atrio bass was way too 'boomy' for you?

And the next day telling someone else the Atrios output some of the 'best bass' you ever heard? Guess you got those from your local Apple store too?

You are unable to discuss anything without getting oversensitive and critical when your view is challenged. You deliberately provoke people and you never have anything new or informative to say. It's all lifted.

Do yourself a favour - go away and grow up. Learn that discussion is a 2-way thing - and that respect for other people's opinions (even if you don't agree with them) is a mark of maturity.

DON'T be a hypocrite - you're defensive when anyone criticises your Shures - yet you're the first to insist that people MUST agree with you that the Etymotic is weak on bass - even if they don't believe it is!
You even have the arrogance to tell people who don't much care for the SE530 bass that they haven't heard 'real' bass! Presumptious?

You start arguments in just about every thread you invade, just STOP IT. You're driving everyone crazy AND you got a warning from one of the mods yesterday.

Doesn't that tell you anything?

And P.S: To anyone who has eye strain from reading my long rant - sorry, but it was way overdue - and him calling me 'stubborn' just because I proved he was a liar was the last straw. I do not apologise for insulting him as in this case - he deserved it.

THE END!

EDIT: Sorry for reacting immaturely about this - but I just saw red! Anyway, I'm back to my normal polite self now

Wow! That rant was long overdue. I don't want to put personal attacks, bux jinx attitude has always been on the edge of trolling and this just confirms what I thought. Great post.

I think jinx20001 just got kicked in the nuts, really hard.

Hahaha.

I've always found the content in his posts to be questionable. I'm afraid that I'd have to say that jinx20001's credibility just went down the toilet.

So... now thats out of the way, back to the OP:
Find a meet
OR
Buy from a store with a solid return policy

There's lot's of opinions that get posted, but the only one that matters is YOURS!

Bruce