So what's the word on the new Ultrasone HFI-780???? - Page 55

Yes, the 750's have diodes also. They are soldered to each driver.

I am loving these more and more the more I listen to them. I actually enjoy the punch these are delivering. I haven't really heard a closed headphone at this price point that satisfies my lust for bass punch, midrange clearness, and nice highs (at least to me, some of you think it's sibilant and shrill) and all for under $200 AND they are closed. I think I may have found my fun rock can. The SR60's may have to go. Although my opinion may change in the next week or so. We'll see!

hehehe ,MAGNIFICENT!!!. With graph and all (with LOL and all, hehe), Thanks a lot. I owe you one! . You will receive you reward, i promise!.

It help me a lot, When i had the money i will buy this headphone. It will sound Extraordinaire with my amp and specially with my XMOD that is as two sources in one..

And yes, it is the best binaural file that i have hear, and is very funny.

Very good impression. I am a bass slam lover too; and i like very good mids, that seem that this headphone has. And are forward....
I hope that the highs are as good as my DT990 (the same about the mids and bass)

Are you aware that there is a whole thread on binaural recordings somewhere around here which are free for download? There is but I have lost the link at this moment.

Whats up with this new measurement of the hfi780? it suddenly has a closed can dip signature unlike the graph we had with the ed9

Note that I addressed this in a post somewhere as a thought experiment. Note that the signal level is -40 dB on this one while on the other one it is -20 dB. This indicates a possible low volume listening level experience compared with the first one that we had to see. This also indicates that with a unit with almost no burn-in ( I am assuming they did not take the time to burn-in this unit for 200 hours.) that the driver is not very linear in response over a range of signal levels. Hopefully this is one correction that occurs during the burn-in period. That the driver loosens up and is able to be more responsive at lower volumes. Now for how I interpret the effects of the two different curves:

My explanation is if I listened to a level of about 60 dB volume which is very low in my experience you may hear some reflections of the mids being sucked out. The background sound level at my work location is 60-64 dB. If I were to attempt to listen to music at 60 dB the dynamic range I would hear would be only what attenuation the ear cups would provide me and I would assume it to be about 12 dB. Therefore, dynamic range available to me would be only 8-12 dB which is adequate for music recorded compressed with a limited dynamic range but not for well recorded music. My normal listening volume being 75-80 dB places my listening much more into area of the response shown with the frequency curves for the original where the test was done at -20 dB signal level. At this volume level I have a dynamic range of over 30 dB to listen to music. As before I called this explanation a thought experiment. I hope you can follow what I am getting at.

gotcha. it makes sense

Ok, I worked these out on a sweep overnight. Nice, the sound is more integrated and it is starting to step back, giving more distance. The bass is good and starting to relax a little (it is well controlled but it was just a little to tense). More gyrations to go through I presume and expected. Nice phones and a big bang for the buck though I do wish they didn't glue in the baffle but had used screws.

As noted in the cable upgrades, I imagine they use 3 dollar cables on these and that can be a bottle neck to a good design. I hear some very positive things coming from these. Surgery may be required but I will let them settle first. I know the wire must be around 24 or 28 gauge, which can choke the life out the final sound (when compared to a very good cable) but I still think they do a good job for the money.

Steve, does your experience with the 780s suggest that they are very different cans depending on your playback level and that they only work well if you turn them up? is it possible that the differences in the graphs are less about volume than differences in measuring technique as graphs are not always the most reliable indicator of how a phone sounds.

That would be quite bad for my needs, I listen at very low levels usually. Can anybody else confirm/deny if they sound good or not-so-good when played quiet?

I think that it probably has more to do with stiff drivers that have yet to get flexible from burn-in and the level of the test signal. With a new headphone or as Careless noted 20 hours of burn-in a stronger signal over came the stiffness while at He&Bi I think the lower signal was effected by the stiff driver more as probably resulted in a different profile.

Also it might have something to do with the source. In my experiences, different sources can really shut down a lot of detail in certain areas than in others.