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post #661 of 2328
2/29/08 at 2:56am
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Originally Posted by Jaw007 View Post
Who is Ken?
that'd be Ken of ALO, a head-fi sponsor. he is modding 780s. for more info see this thread:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f70/ul...lo-mod-299731/
Steve, are you going to have him do the full mods or is this just a recable? i look fwd to your take on the changes wrought by Ken.
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post #662 of 2328
2/29/08 at 3:22am
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post #663 of 2328
2/29/08 at 3:40am
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that'd be Ken of ALO, a head-fi sponsor. he is modding 780s. for more info see this thread:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f70/ul...lo-mod-299731/
Steve, are you going to have him do the full mods or is this just a recable? i look fwd to your take on the changes wrought by Ken.
My every 24 hour update on burn-in is posted in that thread now.

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f70/ul...lo-mod-299731/
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post #664 of 2328
2/29/08 at 3:52am
I agree with you two. The bass slam is necessary for movies too.
I can't imagine to listen without it... the sound is in great part lifeless; and i really can't listen to a headphone with less bass slam than my DT990 (and that is after from the help of my amp +/and my xmod). i hope that really the HFi-780 has more bass slam and not only a little bit more or slightly more.
I hope too that the sound of this headphone sound as real as the DT990 or better (if it applies).

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very very good point. honestly I like having a bass slam also because it makes it fun to listen to my music, while others may not agree.
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I love bass slam and bass in generally, give it a more "physical" feel IMO, but that's just me. That's one of the reasons why I bought the D2000s but not I'm not sure if I should get the HFI-780 as well, or the iBasso D2
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post #665 of 2328
2/29/08 at 6:45am
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Originally Posted by daveDerek View Post
that'd be Ken of ALO, a head-fi sponsor. he is modding 780s. for more info see this thread:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f70/ul...lo-mod-299731/
Steve, are you going to have him do the full mods or is this just a recable? i look fwd to your take on the changes wrought by Ken.
Full mods are what I am talking about now. Internals worked and 18g Jena wire with a quarter inch plug.
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post #666 of 2328
2/29/08 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by daveDerek View Post
that'd be Ken of ALO, a head-fi sponsor. he is modding 780s. for more info see this thread:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f70/ul...lo-mod-299731/
Steve, are you going to have him do the full mods or is this just a recable? i look fwd to your take on the changes wrought by Ken.
Thank you for the information.
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2/29/08 at 8:52am
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2/29/08 at 8:57am
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2/29/08 at 9:13am
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Go back to the chart that I put up comparing the 780 to the UE9. This will show that in the bass area the 780 is not as strong as the UE9. Some have suggested the 780 are a bit bright and you can see compared to the UE9 at about 6K they do contain about 6-8 db more energy. The UE9 has more energy at the peak above 10k than the 780. But in the bass region compared to the UE9 the 780 just can't keep up. The 780 has less energy in the upper-bass region by several dB.

I hope you guys wanting bass killers are not disappointed.
Actually, if you superimpose the 2 graphs over the whole 1k to 2k range, (which is where most mid-range lives), by raising the green line up a bit, then you will see that the 2 graphs match even more closely.
Look and see what I mean.
Right now the axis (or whatever) crosses at upper-bass/lower mids area below 1k.
Since *most* peeps would logically tend to adjust volume to give best vocals, then using the 1k-2k "range" would give the effect to the graph, that I've mentioned.
Like I said -- look and see.
But, that's just my opinion, of course.
I would STILL like to hear an ED-9, IF the earcups are the same size as the 780 (NOT if they are smaller, though). But, in pics they look similar-sized.

EDIT: Okay, after posting this, I see in other posts, that the charts were matched differently, and do in fact show they are pretty close to each other.
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post #670 of 2328
2/29/08 at 9:21am
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Actually, if you superimpose the 2 graphs over the whole 1k to 2k range, (which is where most mid-range lives), by raising the green line up a bit, then you will see that the 2 graphs match even more closely.
Look and see what I mean.
Right now the axis (or whatever) crosses at upper-bass/lower mids area below 1k.
Since *most* peeps would logically tend to adjust volume to give best vocals, then using the 1k-2k "range" would give the effect to the graph, that I've mentioned.
Like I said -- look and see.
But, that's just my opinion, of course.
I would STILL like to hear an ED-9, IF the earcups are the same size as the 780 (NOT if they are smaller, though). But, in pics they look similar-sized.
You got everything of what I was trying to convey with that chart. I could have made if a little bit better for comparison but thought it adequate for making the case that you made. Thanks for you review of the chart.

I did the chart simply because I was so shocked at the sound profiles of the two headphones being so similar. Of course there are many other reasons a headphone sound the way it does but the 780 is definitely a very near relative of the UE9.
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post #671 of 2328
2/29/08 at 9:24am
either way, whatever else people say, the 780s are on the way the day that i can pay... In all seriousness, they should be a fresh complement to my ad2ks whenever i want a rough and ready can.

side question: how high do we go in the source route that improvements can be appreciated with these cans? will a channel islands dac be enough or might something like the bel canto dac3 or a higher dac still be a significant sound upgrade when using these cans. Ampwise, how high is too high a pricerange to mate with these?
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post #672 of 2328
2/29/08 at 9:31am
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either way, whatever else people say, the 780s are on the way the day that i can pay... In all seriousness, they should be a fresh complement to my ad2ks whenever i want a rough and ready can.

side question: how high do we go in the source route that improvements can be appreciated with these cans? will a channel islands dac be enough or might something like the bel canto dac3 or a higher dac still be a significant sound upgrade when using these cans. Ampwise, how high is too high a pricerange to mate with these?
Once you get to the level of the CIAudio DAC with power supply the law of diminishing returns starts taking a big toll. The CIAudio is a real nice dac even though I prefer the Lavry DA10. MY second one was purchased for 875$ shipped new. Having the CIAudio or Lavry would allow you to easily go to a balanced setup for very little later if this were something of interest to you.

Amp wise, there is a significant delta between the headphone out of my Lavry and my Yamamoto HA-02. That was my original selling point to me for the Lavry. The Headphone amp of the Lavry is near the performance of the Headamp Gilmore Lite with power supply which is very near Headamp GS-1. But if you choose to go all the way with the CIAudio dac and say a SinglePower amp to start with then the internal Lavry headamp is mote.
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post #673 of 2328
2/29/08 at 12:38pm
How do they compare to the Proline 750? If I missed this, sorry.
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post #674 of 2328
2/29/08 at 1:53pm
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The Headphone amp of the Lavry is near the performance of the Headamp Gilmore Lite with power supply which is very near Headamp GS-1. But if you choose to go all the way with the CIAudio dac and say a SinglePower amp to start with then the internal Lavry headamp is mote.
I probably won't really need the singlepower for low impedance cans like these. Are they as big an improvement for low impedance cans as they are for senns for example? As for the lavry having gilmore lite with PS quality, have you compared them side by side? what were the differences?

Sorry for the amp/source questions hijacking this thread. It might enhance this thread though since we are talking about what is needed for the 780
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post #675 of 2328
2/29/08 at 2:23pm
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How do they compare to the Proline 750? If I missed this, sorry.
I am waiting for the 680/780/750 comparison myself but from headphoneaddicts comments, even the 2500 is not as good as the 780
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