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Another Grado 325i v. Alessandro MS-2 Review

post #1 of 86
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First impressions:

The MS-2 sound more evenly balanced (more uniformly integrated across the frequency spectrum) and "settled" than the SR-325i. They also sound more evenly "scaled," dynamically, than the SR-325i.

After preliminary a/b-ing, one could argue that the MS-2 also sound more "alluring" (e.g., vocals feel more liquidy, full, warm and human) in the midrange--right now, at least, with easy pop being spun. However, the MS-2's relative lack of openness can make them sound congested at times, just a tad glary, and even slightly sluggish with some songs. There's a roundness to the MS-2's tonal quality that can venture into bluntness, suggesting a slight captivity or pent-up quality to the music being played.

The SR-325i definitely sound more nimble and extended, brighter--but neither harsh nor hashy--and more percussive, i.e. more "Grado-ish." What they apparently lack in the midrange compared to the MS-2, the 325i deliver at the treble and bass ends with improved authority/control, more sense of detail, and at a brisker pace. In a few words, the 325i have more of a "leading edge" quality to their presentation. [Added, 02/09/08: The more time I spend with the 325i, the more I realize that they really don't go much lower, if at all lower, than the MS-2. It's the treble extension, and the corresponding gap/relative occlusion between treble and bass that creates a smacky, but not necessarily extended or even weighty and authoritative, "bass" response from the 325i.]

With the 325i, I heard Ana Caram's voice emerge from a point nearer the "top" of its source; it sounded more nasal and front of the throat; with the MS-2 more gutteral and back of the throat. With the 325i saxophones sound more reedy; with the MS-2, more "bell-y." With the 325i guitar plucks sound more from the fretboard; with the MS-2, more from the body. Low bass was tighter and more dense with the 325i; midbass a bit more present with the MS-2 (w/a slight tendency to be over-diffuse on some mixes). These comparisons merely exemplify the 325i's more forward, overall signature, but it's a "dual-front" forwardness that projects from either end of the frequency spectrum and lends a distinctive "sculpted" character to vocals/instrumentation.

Caveat:
Keep in mind that I optimized my tube choices to "tighten and brighten" the MS-2's stock signature, which at times can tend toward maximum entropy--with everything directionally reverting to a homeostatic middle-ish sound. These tube choices may very well have tended to exaggerate the 325i's inherent brightness and tightness. With the 325i, 1x RCA 6SN7GT & 2x Raytheon 6SN7GT may fare to better render the Grado's "stock" sound (even though it's being deliberately manipulated with tubes!).

Wow! This is a tough one, though! These are two different, but equally endearing, pairs of headphones. It will take a while longer to settle on my simple majority-of-the-time favorite. Anyway, it's a real treat to have the Alessandro MS-2 and the Grado SR-325i in-house!

Meanwhile, the RAL/K701 still gets top billing. By comparison, the detail from either the MS-2 or the SR-325i sounds surfacine, veneerish, not rendered from deep-in-the-grain of the music like the RAL/K701 do. : )

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Source: EVS-modded Oppo 970HD
Amp: Bada PH-12 w/1x Tung-Sol 6SN7GTB & 2x Sylvania 6SN7GTB
Cable: EVS IC-100 interconnect, MAC Source and HC power cords
Tweaks: DakiOm Feedback Stabilizers (in every possible place), ebony damping blocks, Herbies ebony domes, DIY "Cloud Nine" suspension system, Marigo Signature CD Mat, Bedini Ultra-Clarifier (dual beam), Infinity Audio shorting plugs

Music: Hiroshima: "Go"; Ana Caram: "Bossa Nova"; Pat Metheny: "Secret Story"
post #2 of 86
I'm glad you're glad with the SR325i. If you have a possibility, try to make a comparison between the combos:
SR325i + optimal tubes vs. MS2 + optimal tubes.
Your description actually makes me feel happy that I grabbed the SR325i's instead of Allesandro's. Same as the kontai69's comments.
post #3 of 86
Try some flat pads on the MS2. The flats will remove the glare and add more PRaT. The yellow senn 19545 pads are good to experiment with too. You can use them unmodded, cut a quarter sized hole or reverse them for slightly different presentations. Unmodded the comfort is great but the sound quality suffers.



post #4 of 86
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Originally Posted by majkel View Post
I'm glad you're glad with the SR325i. If you have a possibility, try to make a comparison between the combos:
SR325i + optimal tubes vs. MS2 + optimal tubes.
Your description actually makes me feel happy that I grabbed the SR325i's instead of Allesandro's. Same as the kontai69's comments.
majkel,
Alas! We agree!

[. . . the distant sound of fireworks, and the up-close sound of champagne corks popping . . .] : )

You offer good advice for a/b-ing the 325i and the MS-2 with the tube compliments optimized respectively. With the Bada, wait time between tube rolls is lengthy, though (due to the finickiness/fragility of the Toshiba mosfets). I'll try the RCA 6SN7GT/Raytheon 6SN7GT combination in a day or two and report back, God willing.
Patrick
post #5 of 86
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[QUOTE=sacd lover;3698479]Try some flat pads on the MS2. The flats will remove the glare and add more PRaT. The yellow senn 19545 pads are good to experiment with too. You can use them unmodded, cut a quarter sized hole or reverse them for slightly different presentations. Unmodded the comfort is great but the sound quality suffers.

Will do--if I retain the MS-2 for that length of time to justify the added expenditure.

The pads on my MS-2, having been purchased well used, are in a quasi-flattened state as-it-is! : )

Thanks for the good advice, sacdlover.
post #6 of 86
Great post. Thanks for the comparison. I'd love to compare the MS2i with my 325i but don't have the disposable income.
post #7 of 86
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Just listened to Dave Brubeck's Greatest Hits, and I'll have to give the MS-2 the nod this time.

In these classic jazz mixes, the overall balance of the MS-2 wins out. Paul Desmond's alto sax is smooth, mellow and not too bitey or spitty; Eugene Wright's bass provides solid, supporting structure; Joe Morello's work on the nearly continuous rider cymbal (e.g. "Trolley Song") carries the rhythm and pace well--but doesn't unduly lead, like it can over the 325i; and Brubeck's piano offers just the right recipe of harmonic hues and dynamic textures.

With the MS-2, I definitely get a better sense of the Quartet working together; the synergy is near perfect--well "pretty doggone good," anyway.

. . . But with the RAL/K701: Now THAT'S jazz, done right--JUST RIGHT!!! "Unsquare Dance" is mesmerizing . . . : )
post #8 of 86
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Originally Posted by pataburd View Post
majkel,
Alas! We agree!

[. . . the distant sound of fireworks, and the up-close sound of champagne corks popping . . .] : )

You offer good advice for a/b-ing the 325i and the MS-2 with the tube compliments optimized respectively. With the Bada, wait time between tube rolls is lengthy, though (due to the finickiness/fragility of the Toshiba mosfets). I'll try the RCA 6SN7GT/Raytheon 6SN7GT combination in a day or two and report back, God willing.
Patrick
Thought about getting a ECC1 adapter for the gain tube from SP? Those adapters will let you try lots more tubes.
post #9 of 86
A good read Pat. Thank you for taking your time and doing this for us. It's very much appreciated..






-Nick
post #10 of 86
I have owned both. I think I would side with the SR325i. It did not seem bright to me at all. The 325i is very nimble and would be weapon of choice for rock music even over the RS2/RS1. The RS1/RS2 is superb with stringed music of the non-electric type. Any well recorded rock music excels on the Sr325i.
post #11 of 86
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Originally Posted by Dash View Post
I have owned both. I think I would side with the SR325i. It did not seem bright to me at all. The 325i is very nimble and would be weapon of choice for rock music even over the RS2/RS1. The RS1/RS2 is superb with stringed music of the non-electric type. Any well recorded rock music excels on the Sr325i.
Yepp, they rock with rock. :lol: Beasty 'phones for beasty music.
post #12 of 86
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Up next: Bob Marley, Songs of Freedom

The 325i win this time. The tight, focused bass, dynamic forcefulness and "discreteness" of the Grados serve up the reggae tracks much better. The congested upper midtreble and bulbous midbass evident with the MS-2 (e.g. "Coming in from the Cold") are gone w/the 325i--probably because of their inherent midtreble and midbass attenuation : ) . Female and male back-up vocals are crystal clear and well delineated, too.

The 325i sweep you right along with the pulse generated by these finely re-mastered tracks (admittedly, though, I don't really care for the remixes). The MS-2 serve up more of a non-descript, primordial reggae soup by comparison.

. . . BUT, RAL/K701 = the reggae champs! . . . : )
post #13 of 86
I'll be looking at some of these grados and allesandros in the future; I'm wondering what y'all think they sound like compared to the DT880? Sorry for the threadjack! Thinking about giving my 595s the boot!
post #14 of 86
Very well written! Wow! Even a newbie can appreciate an excellent piece of work. Very analysed, very detailed. Thanks for sharing! And how
post #15 of 86
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Originally Posted by captainbrendo View Post
I'll be looking at some of these grados and allesandros in the future; I'm wondering what y'all think they sound like compared to the DT880? Sorry for the threadjack! Thinking about giving my 595s the boot!
Uh-oh! Another implied comparison of the DT880, 2005 vs. 2003!

Compared to the new (2005) DT880, I think the Grado/Alessandro sound much more vibrant and engaging. Compared to the old (2003) DT880, I think the Beyers offer a more extended and detailed treble, bigger/better soundstage and a more comfortable fit. The balance of the DT880/2003 is IMHO closer to that of the SR-325i (i.e. strongest at the extremes); with the balance of the DT880/2005 closer to that of the MS-2 (i.e. middle-of-the-road), but maybe a bit leaner in the midbass and not as rich and harmonic as the MS-2, overall.

Well, I very much liked the DT880/2003. Aside from external comfort, I have few--if any--good things to say about the DT880/2005. : )
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