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post #2536 of 2670
Would like to see an update on the Jade.
Is it selling at all?
Have any improvements be made to address the concerns raised in this thread?
Is it worth it over a used SR-007 Mk2?
post #2537 of 2670
I for one am still super happy with mine. I have no idea how well they're selling but I haven't heard of any QC problems since the couple in the first 10 issued. I don't treat them like fine china and I've never had a problem (I've dropped them a number of times and never cover them to protect them from dust etc.).

I find them to be quite different from both the O2's and the HE90 so I plan on getting the O2's one of these days too. They aren't nearly as power hungry as the O2's so amplification isn't as critical. Because of this I consider them to cost less (unless you have the right amp already of course).
post #2538 of 2670
I have really enjoyed the last five dozen of posts. I was tempted to post X2 following each and every one of them but I did not and this was not because I was afraid of Larry ("HeadphoneAddict") going after me for trying to increase my post count.

Amongst other things I was finally able to experience the holographic effect associated with the O2 and I am back for another attempt (the third one) to read "Darth Nut"'s post (on his experiences after owning the O2/T2 for five years), all the way to the end.

IIRC it took about a year for "Darth Nut" to initiate "Vertigo-1" into electrostatics and convince him to get an entry level electrostatic rig first and then to upgrade to an O2 and to enjoy it as much as his R 10/RKV II rig.

I guess I will now try to convince Yanni to build me a BHSE class type amp for my electrostatic phones.
post #2539 of 2670
I am still very happy with the Jade. Those are the ones plugged into my GES right now. Regardless of what Spritzer says, they are great in my rig. Everyone at the Colorado meet was impressed, and we had 11 stats on my table for people to try including Jade, O2 Mk1, HE60, SR-404 Limited, SR-Lambda Pro, two SR-Lambda, SR-5NB Gold, SR-X Mk3, SR-80, and ESP950.
post #2540 of 2670
I have the Jade predecessor the 1.2B and at first I actually preferred it to my O2 Mk1 listening through an original Headamp Blue Hawaii. The O2 did not have the dynamics that the 1.2B had. Now that I have a Blue Hawaii SE things have changed. The O2's are now my favorite headphone and I haven't been able to put them down. The 1.2B still are very dynamic but almost too much through the BHSE. I've only got about 50 hours listening to them so I'm going to let them break in some more and see if the brightness tames down.

The BHSE is a great amp BTW....
post #2541 of 2670
Thread Starter 
any recent/new Jade owners?

still interested in these headphones but comments except for a small number of head-fiers seem to be few.
post #2542 of 2670
I have had the Jade plus the O2 for over 9 months. I love them both, but they give very different presentations. I still prefer the Jade with the amps I have on hand: SRM717 and Pass Aleph 5/SRD7mk2. However, while the O2 appeals to my analytical side, the Jade is of the heart.
post #2543 of 2670
Yeah, I am at the point where the Jade gets more ear time than the O2 with my Woo GES, until I can get a proper amp for the O2.
post #2544 of 2670
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
Yeah, I am at the point where the Jade gets more ear time than the O2 with my Woo GES, until I can get a proper amp for the O2.
Larry, could you expand in the main differences, strengths and weaknesses of one versus the other? Thanks
post #2545 of 2670
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Larry, could you expand in the main differences, strengths and weaknesses of one versus the other? Thanks
I did a write up previously comparing the O2 Mk1, O2 Mk2, and Jade (maybe HE60 as well), sometime around February.

Right now, to me the O2 Mk1 sounds refined and tight, with good imaging (placement) and deeper but small soundstage, a little rolled off up high with low to medium volume levels, and bass has a nice deep ring to it but not a lot of impact.

Jade has a more more forward involving presentation, especially with nice rich vocals, but soundstage is wide and not deep, while bass has impact closer to that of a dynamic headphone. The treble does not seem rolled off at all and they are not as dark as the O2 can be when used with the wrong source or tubes.
post #2546 of 2670
we need a HeAudio/1.2/J smily.
post #2547 of 2670
----------- double tapped. Not sure how that happened.
post #2548 of 2670
Just bought a GES with a He Audio output. Im still pondering about wether I should go the stax side> O2 Mk1 or with the Jade. I loved the HE60 sound and its speed and clarity and read the Jade is similar but more bass which it needed.

We all know what we are going to get for an answer in this topic, right? But does the GES have enough power to make the O2 shine?
post #2549 of 2670
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Originally Posted by Deadneddz View Post
From a physical standpoint. The most common is people listening to them with the earpads on backwards. Not only do the earcups rotate, but also the pads independent of the earcup. During the shuffle of a meet, the orientation of the pads can completely change. Sometimes people even listen to them with the right and left cups swapped because the earpads have been rotated and it looks correct without looking at the R/L markings.
The 007A manual doesn't state what is the "correct" orientation. Merely to rotate the pads untill you are happy. I run mine with the pads reversed compared to most users, i.e. with the curved section of the D shaped opening behind the ear. This plus using Spritzer's spring mod gives me the best sound. You can't easily make comparisons because the metal "arc" headband needs to be bent when the pad are rotated.

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Spritzer- Could you explain how a Sigma/404 will not be bright when a reguar 404 which has the same drivers is bright and etchy?

Thanks..
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
Distance from the drivers to the ears helps a lot plus all the damping inside the headphones. If you've ever heard the 4070 then it sounds nothing like the SR-404 yet all the "active" parts of the headphones are the same.

The Sigma and Sigma pro are somewhat boomy and treble shy. The characteristics of the 404 driver add needed treble, a bit of deep bass and more definition while keeping the Sigma's notable externalization of sound.

Re: 404 and treble etch. Try removing the foam behind the drivers. This gets rid of any such etch, IMHO, and expands the soundstage. It may even take too much midrange/treble out of the 404.
post #2550 of 2670
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Originally Posted by aRRR View Post
Just bought a GES with a He Audio output. Im still pondering about wether I should go the stax side> O2 Mk1 or with the Jade. I loved the HE60 sound and its speed and clarity and read the Jade is similar but more bass which it needed.

We all know what we are going to get for an answer in this topic, right? But does the GES have enough power to make the O2 shine?
Search for posts by "HeadphoneAddict" with the phrase "GES" or "Woo GES" and see what I've posted before.

The GES is slightly underpowered for the O2, and I would like to be able to get another 3 dB of headroom out of the O2 with it sometimes - especially if trying to play loud music at live levels, or trying to play pounding electronic music with a heavy bass line. The RSA A-10 I tried in July has maybe another 1-3 dB of headroom depending on the music, but costs $6,500 and the $5,000 Blue Hawaii SE is even more powerful than that and seems like 4-5 dB more headroom over the GES. So, in that sense the GES does well for the price. The WES was great at CanJam with O2 Mk2 but also the prototype's power was limited to about 60% of the final version, and I didn't get to try O2 Mk1, and it costs the same as a KGBH SE, so I don't know what to recommend with that one.

The timbre, tone, detail, soundstage and musicality of the GES is wonderful and I can get good sound from the O2 with the right tubes and DAC. Because the O2 are pickier about what you drive them with than other electrostatic phones, they don't always sound good with the tubes and DAC that make the Jade or HE60 or Lambdas sound good. The Apogee mini-DAC with NOS 12BZ7 tubes that came with the maxed GES were good with Jade and HE60 and Lambda but too dark with O2 Mk1.

Switching to so GE "Wurlitzer" 12AX7 or Telefunken smooth plate 12AX7, and changing the DAC to a PS Audio Digital Link III made a big improvement with the O2 Mk1 (and Mk2). This still sounds okay with the Jade, SR-404 Limited Edition and SR-Lambda, but is a little too bright with the HE60 and SR-Lambda Signature.

If you want to use the O2 on the GES, and want loud pounding music, you'll want to keep the Jade or have a dynamic headphone rig for those times.
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