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post #2521 of 2670
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Originally Posted by Yikes View Post
So you want a fair and valued assessment of the Jades? Have you read all 168 pages of this thread? That's probably the best way.

A Fanboy for what?
I said your posts make you "appear" to be a fanboy. I have read most of this thread, and have listened to the Jades myself on a couple different systems. I haven't had enough time with them to give them a reasonable judgement.

I'm not trying to accuse you of anything, just simply stating that being so easily aggitated at another members opinions doesn't look very good or credible on your part. But enough of this OT crap, you like everyone else is entitled to their own thoughts or whatnot, but this thread should reroute back to discussions about the Jades.

I did get to listen to the Jades on Steve's R2R, and that was definately enjoyable.
post #2522 of 2670
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Originally Posted by J-Pak View Post
He actually had elephas' pair for a while. I share his views with regard to the Jade (and I had someone else's pair on loan as well, these are not meet impressions).
I'm not saying his impressions are wrong or not in line with others. As I remember it, I think he only listened for an hour or two, thought it was flawed, cracked it open, and then modded it, Again, I'm just pointing out that I don't think he gave it a fair chance. I remember thinking "how is spritzer so sure of his initial impressions?!" when I first read his posts on the Jade.
post #2523 of 2670
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Originally Posted by powertoold View Post
As I remember it, I think he only listened for an hour or two, thought it was flawed, cracked it open, and then modded it,
I asked Spritzer to open up my Jade and to modify it in any way he saw fit, or not.

It's up to the individual reader to judge the value of anyone's posts here. You can dismiss Spritzer's opinions if you want to. I value his opinions, even though we don't agree about everything. Certainly not about the material of the O2Mk1 earpads (hopefully n_maher doesn't see this).

I don't have anything to say about the Jade because I haven't been in possession of it for a long time (my own fault).
post #2524 of 2670
You can call me Mr. Electrostatic all you want but that's not something I would ever label myself as. To me there can be only one Mr. Electrostatic, Dr. Gilmore. Better make it Dr. Electrostatic then. Sure I've owned a lot of electrostatic headphones, built a few amps and studied how the principle works but my impressions are all my own and I'm no ruling body on all things electrostatic. Now Steven did come here asking for impressions on the Jade in comparison to the R10 and SR-007 (both of which I've owned) and since I know how much he likes the SR-007 (and appears to like the same aspects as I do) so I gave him my honest opinion. Simple as that.

Now you can think of my posts in this thread as crapping but for example I did point out the possible problems with the He1.3 design before anybody had heard them which turned out to be true. Each to his own I guess...

As for the amp issue, have you ever heard of overhead, R&D plus dealer/distributor markup? Lets say that Stax were able to build an uber amp for 1000$ and sell it on for 3000$ to cover their R&D and overhead. A 1:3 ratio is normal in any buisness but it could even higher here due to the cost of designing an amp like this plus having all the custom parts made for a small run of amps. Now once that amp is sold on to a distributor the price has gone up 50-100% to cover their piece of the pie and any shipping/handling fees. The distributor relies on a dealer network and they don't work for free so add on another 50-100% to cover their costs.

Now you could decide to go with an amp that is good enough and buy a used Stax SRM-717 or build a DIY design. The 717 costs used around 700-1000$ but you can build an equivalent amp for about 500$.

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Originally Posted by powertoold View Post
I'm not saying his impressions are wrong or not in line with others. As I remember it, I think he only listened for an hour or two, thought it was flawed, cracked it open, and then modded it, Again, I'm just pointing out that I don't think he gave it a fair chance. I remember thinking "how is spritzer so sure of his initial impressions?!" when I first read his posts on the Jade.
I can't remember the exact time I used them before cracking them open, I only did so when I felt I had a good handle on the sound. It was at least a couple of days after I got them but I would have to check my PM's to be sure. The first thing I did was to replace the truly dreadful stock cable with a Stax PC-OCC unit and then I put them back together and used them for some time to see what the new cable did.
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Both Jade and OII are FAR from being anywhere near "perfect" sounding IME, even out of amps like BHSE and ES2. However, it *is* possible to build very satisfying systems around either one, so I really don't see the need for all this passion.

All this negative 'stat talk is going to drive people to buy the darn HD800
post #2526 of 2670
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post
The top end of the Jade was pretty rough to my ears and they have the same etch issues as most other electrostatics. The sound is also a roller coaster ride with peaks and valleys all over the place so there are other hot spots as well. I would personally take a fully restored HE60 over the Jade any day (or pretty much any electrostatic for that matter) especially with the BHSE. The common wisdom here that the HE60 are easy to drive couldn't be more incorrect and they really come alive when fed with some real power.

What you are picking up on is the inherent etch (or resonant frequency) of electrostatic transducers and the only way to make it go away is with damping. I'm rather sensitive to this as well and that's why I love my SR-007's. That's what Stax did with the SR-007 but you could also try the original normal bias Lambda or the Sigma phones. The normal bias Sigma is a peach but the Pro bias unit is rather bland. Now if you could track down a Sigma with SR-404 drivers then they are by far the best of the bunch.
Are you saying the HE60 will not have that trebble etch on my BHSE?

Also- do I need an adaptor to get it to work on a Stax Jack?
post #2527 of 2670
It does have a bit of an etch but putting more power into the phones does diminish it. It never bothered me like it did on the HE90 for instance.

You will need an adapter or just have the plug cut off and replaced with a 5pin Stax. I would also install a 5M resistor on the bias line to keep in line with the Sennheiser spec.
post #2528 of 2670
Spritzer- Could you explain how a Sigma/404 will not be bright when a reguar 404 which has the same drivers is bright and etchy?

Thanks..
post #2529 of 2670
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Originally Posted by Jon L View Post
All this negative 'stat talk is going to drive people to buy the darn HD800
More HD800 sales = more chance AKG redo the K1000 with design corrections, seeing there is a market for the product outwith the studio environment for which it was designed.

In a more on top point, I would very much enjoy a listen with the Jade. I am far more capable of living with the sort of characteristics that Birgir finds to be unbearable. My concern though is with the number that have gone wrong in some form or another, rather than their sound, whatever it might be from whatever amp to whosevers ears.
post #2530 of 2670
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Originally Posted by Duggeh View Post
More HD800 sales = more chance AKG redo the K1000 with design corrections
More HD800 sales = Less demand for 'Stats = More chance for me to buy more 'stats like HE90 and 'stat amps at better prices.

(Warning)
*Do Not Read Further If You are in the market for 'stat vs HD800*

In all honesty, as good as HD800 is, it still sounds to me a like a dynamic 'phone. It still does not have what makes good 'stats special to me, which is purity and bristling inner life.
post #2531 of 2670
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Originally Posted by Jon L View Post
Both Jade and OII are FAR from being anywhere near "perfect" sounding IME, even out of amps like BHSE and ES2.
What's closest to "perfect" then? I would really like to know.

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All this negative 'stat talk is going to drive people to buy the darn HD800
Some of us already did, and it sounds great.

I heard that the Stax Mafia is forbidden to even browse HD800 threads, but I've seen some suspicious activity recently.
post #2532 of 2670
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Originally Posted by Jon L View Post
(Warning)
*Do Not Read Further If You are in the market for 'stat vs HD800*

In all honesty, as good as HD800 is, it still sounds to me a like a dynamic 'phone. It still does not have what makes good 'stats special to me, which is purity and bristling inner life.
"Dynamic" is a dirty word (is it?) . At three weeks with the HD800, I'm thinking the HD800 is slightly my preference over the O2mkI, although they don't compete head-2-head. More of a contrast. That kind of opinion can probably get kneecaps broken though. Maybe it's an amping deficiency though, my 'stat amp is a '007tII.

Does anyone have any 1st person info on how the Jade model is doing sales wise. Specifically, how secure is availability for say the next 6 months ? I'm very interested and I have been following this thread. Depending on how things sound when my BHSE shows up, I'm serious about getting a pair. It wouldn't be ideal to do it now though, because there is no telling how soon my BHSE number will come up. **I'm BHSE #12 if anyone has info on how that's progressing ?**

Also there doesn't seem to be much posted on direct experience with the BHSE + Jade, which would be very interesting. Has anyone had an opportunity to listen to the combo in "better-than-meet" conditions ?
post #2533 of 2670
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Originally Posted by rsbrsvp View Post
Spritzer- Could you explain how a Sigma/404 will not be bright when a reguar 404 which has the same drivers is bright and etchy?

Thanks..
Distance from the drivers to the ears helps a lot plus all the damping inside the headphones. If you've ever heard the 4070 then it sounds nothing like the SR-404 yet all the "active" parts of the headphones are the same.
post #2534 of 2670
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Originally Posted by bada bing View Post
Does anyone have any 1st person info on how the Jade model is doing sales wise. Specifically, how secure is availability for say the next 6 months ? I'm very interested and I have been following this thread. Depending on how things sound when my BHSE shows up, I'm serious about getting a pair.
Fang told me at CanJam that even if they don't stock the Jade they will continue to "build to order" for the foreseeable future.
post #2535 of 2670
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Originally Posted by bada bing View Post
"Dynamic" is a dirty word (is it?) . At three weeks with the HD800, I'm thinking the HD800 is slightly my preference over the O2mkI, although they don't compete head-2-head. More of a contrast. That kind of opinion can probably get kneecaps broken though. Maybe it's an amping deficiency though, my 'stat amp is a '007tII.
Nah, to some, "electrostat" would be a dirty word if one's music choice is best served by a dynamic. I just happen to listen to a lot of chamber music, symphonic music, soprano/tenor, vocals (Leonard Cohen, Rachel Yamagata, etc), 50's jazz, with occasional hip-hop, hard-rock, metal thrown in.

BTW, after your BHSE arrives, you're not going to be saying, "HD800 is slightly my preference over the O2mkI."

In addition, when I said neither OII nor Jade is "perfect," I should have made sure to add that no transducer is, headphones or speakers, no matter the price. I do admit to mainly enjoying my highly customized speakers of late.
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