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post #241 of 2677
Well, that makes it easier. The HE90 is what I'm after in a headphone. If the 1.2 shares the sound signature and is really this good, then I'm sold.

I tend to rate the overall presentation of a transducer more than its technical merits, as long as its technical merits don't overly detract from its presentation. The system has to disappear and leave the music behind. I don't care how the system does it, and there are multiple ways to do it (I'm too hungover to go into it in depth right now), but if I hear the system, instead of focusing on the music, then I don't care how good the individual aspects of the system are, it's still not going to satisfy me in the long run.

This doesn't mean that I don't value technical merits - poor technical performance in key areas will interfere with the sonic illusion, so the system has to be very competent and well-rounded. My standard for what is competent unfortunately is growing with every passing day, and even my "balanced" HD650 is starting to irritate me in some respects (too slow).
post #242 of 2677
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Well I just bit the bullet and ordered the 1.2B as a birthday present from me to me.
Keep us posted on how it goes.
post #243 of 2677
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“HE90 (bass and treble a letdown, soundstage is horrible but they are sooo smooth)”

“soundstage is horrible” Get out! I literally duck when a sound comes blasting out of open space and flies through my head and out the other side.

To me it’s like you’re positioned on stage (like with Grados) but have the open expanse like that conveyed with Senn HD600’s. When listening to Pink Floyd “Wall” in the beginning how far away is the wall that the heartbeat is reverberating off of?
The soundstage is so diffused that it can't pull off any definition and it is always big, never mind what the recording. The soundstage is supposed to be huge if the recording calls for it but not all the time. If I want larger then life then I have the Sigmas.

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You need to hear the HE90’s with a good amp.
You are joking right? I've heard the HEV90 plenty of times if that is your idea of a good amp and I would never fork over the normal asking price for it. My modded SRM-T1 is on par with it at a fraction of the cost. The HE90 doesn't need an amp like the Blue Hawaii or KGSS which are brutally honest but something that gives a pretty picture of what is going on. That means capacitor coupled and less power output but it is also the reason why the HE60 sounds worse then the He90 in direct comparison on the same amp. They do need plenty of clean power to get going but that doesn't make them better then the He90 though.

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Oh, to have such youthful ears and such spending power and advice at that age...
I do work a lot so the money just flows in. The advice and experience others is priceless and I would still be stuck thinking Meridian made good CDP's and SS was the way to go without it. It has also given me access to a wealth of expensive gear to sample.

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Thanks for sharing your rating, spritzer.

Mitch's “Wall” question might give a good general reference to share, but it wil be sharing the differences between the full rig that anybody (who responds to it) is listening to.

Somehow I doubt spritzer having anything less than a 'good' amp (or 2 or 3 or more 'good' amps at any one time ). Whether he's heard a source/amp/HE90 combo in synergy at the same level as Mitch is another question...
The Blue Hawaii is far more resolving then any capacitor coupled amp could ever be and I've had a lot of good sources to play with. To name a few, Wadia 861 and 830, ML 31.5 and 30.6 (I loved that old battleship) and the EMM Labs stack. Right now I'm using the excelent Sony DAS-R1, Sony's first statement CDP, while waiting for my APL 3910.

I'm not a big fan of the whole synergy thing but rather the "closest approach" if I may borrow Quad's slogan.
post #244 of 2677
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^^ i don't think people dispute your knowledge or experience in this area, but sometimes people just refuse to accept another's arguments or advice b/c of the way it is presented - i.e. the tone.

have you ever thought that you might win over more people if you were a little less condescending.

just a thought.
post #245 of 2677
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have you ever thought that you might win over more people if you were a little less condescending.
wasn't there a poll conducted recently that might prove otherwise? plus, I doubt Spritzer's goal in life is to win people over
post #246 of 2677
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^^ i don't think people dispute your knowledge or experience in this area, but sometimes people just refuse to accept another's arguments or advice b/c of the way it is presented - i.e. the tone.

have you ever thought that you might win over more people if you were a little less condescending.

just a thought.
I really don't care if people listen to me or not. If I come off as condescending then so be it but I was simply stating an opinion of the HE90 that is shared by many owners and ex-owners as it happens.
post #247 of 2677
Spritzer,

Could it be that you just prefer the sound of the OII over the HE90? I thought that the KGSS + OII was nice but the combo was not really my cup of tea when I heard them 2 years ago. However, I have been very pleased with the sound of my HEV90+HE90 combo the first minute I heard it. In fact, everyone at our mini-meet 2 years ago also prefered the sound of my L3000+SDS over the KGSS+OII. The source was the Meridian G08. My HE90 out of my ES-1 is at least a level or two better than out of the HEV90.
post #248 of 2677
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If I come off as condescending...
Take it from me, there is no if....... you do come off as condescending!
post #249 of 2677
“The soundstage is so diffused that it can't pull off any definition”

That’s hilarious. When I listen to my system the sounds have a distinct location, depth, breadth, width, volume, placement, amplitude and duration. It’s like the sound emanates from free space at a distinct location around me and seamlessly through me. I can point to the position where the sound came from. If you were listening to the system with me I could just point over there and you’d know what I meant cause you saw the same sound. You can almost see the sound live its so vivid. Heck my soundstage is so real and vivid- have you ever heard the floor in a recording? I mean when listening to a recording- do you know how high off the ground the recording was made?

And this is using a Naim CD5x, which isn’t known for soundstage.

I own the Aristaeus not the HEV90. I’m using Siemens tubes all around or a pair of Sylvania GB5751’s. OK so the 5751 is my secret weapon- not quite the soundstage but the detail and clarity is stunning.

I’m not talking about the HEV90, I never mentioned the HEV90 and I’ve only commented on things I personally own and have spent time with. Did I mention I own the Aristaeus?

My only possible complaint with my system is it’s too emotional and involving. I usually end up a raw nerve exposed to all the emotion or a quivering pile of goo with a smile.


All that said if these new headphones can come close to the HE90's and a person can actually get a pair- you guys are in for a treat. Add to that new after market amps and life is good.


Mitch
post #250 of 2677
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I'm not a big fan of the whole synergy thing but rather the "closest approach" if I may borrow Quad's slogan.
I agree in principle and I might even concur if I had the dollars to. I know you've previously acknowledged that you recognise we all have our budget (and therefore equipment) limitations. I think that's why I've started more down the recognition of the importance of synergy - for me and, perhaps, for others.

And I guess there is a degree of that even in your postings e.g. I'm sure moving from SS to tube has some logical justification for you but I also think, deep down, part of that is the way the tube amp matches with the ESP qualities/sound signatures you are using those amps with. My opinion, spritzer, just as I recognise you will have your own.

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Take it from me, there is no if....... you do come off as condescending!
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wasn't there a poll conducted recently that might prove otherwise? plus, I doubt Spritzer's goal in life is to win people over
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I really don't care if people listen to me or not. If I come off as condescending then so be it but I was simply stating an opinion of the HE90 that is shared by many owners and ex-owners as it happens.
Condescending - a tonal descriptor for honesty that is sometimes taken to be a bit too forthright, even 'brutal'.

I cherish spritzer's honesty and his (written) personality. And I sometimes marvel at the range of personalities we each display - some folks on these threads get quite 'precious', others are pedantic, others laid back...it's just a great smorgaspord of personalities - just as a productive community should be IMHO.

And everyone is strong enough to both steadfastly convey their impressions whilst accepting the (sometimes differing) impressions that others convey.

Keep sharing, folks, because it helps each of us identify and progress towards what sounds like the best combo of gear for our ears (and, gulp, wallets?).
post #251 of 2677
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...My only possible complaint with my system is it’s too emotional and involving. I usually end up a raw nerve exposed to all the emotion or a quivering pile of goo with a smile.


All that said if these new headphones can come close to the HE90's and a person can actually get a pair- you guys are in for a treat. Add to that new after market amps and life is good.


Mitch
Ah, now there's a man who is enjoying his music (which I think, correct me if I am wrong, is the reason for all this equipment in the first place).

I see, like me, you don't post an image/avatar of yourself as a "quivering pile of goo with a smile", Mitch.

And, yes, life is getting better and better with ESP and ES Amp choices. The flipside of that, of course, is differentiating what works best for any individual and their tastes/preferences/ears.

Shame we don't have a magical meter that ranges all the way up to "Buy this one - quivering pile of goo with a smile level" for any particular combo of equipment. One day, maybe, one day. (We'll just have to rely on our individual sets of ears till then, eh? )
post #252 of 2677
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have you ever thought that you might win over more people if you were a little less condescending.
When you corner some people with valid arguments, they start attacking your personality.

I think it's great that there are (a few) outspoken individuals here, not afraid to talk about the technical short-comings of über-expensive holy-grail level headphone esoterica, even if by doing so they might provoke the contempt of some self-appointed "gurus".

Spritzer for president, TBH.
post #253 of 2677
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"quivering pile of goo with a smile"
With a smile?
post #254 of 2677
One of my test tracks is Emily Sparks' "Downtown Cafe."

This test is simple: Seconds elapsed before the first tear squeezes out and begins rolling down a cheek.

When the song ends, my face is usually covered with tears and my nose stuffed up. If I'm sobbing uncontrollably, that means the headphone did a particularly good job and I'm happy.

Amp: Aristaeus with all-Siemens tubes. Sylvania 5751 pair is extremely clear and crisp-sounding.

Source: Esoteric P-05/D-05/G-03x

Rankings:

1. HE90, 27 seconds
2. SR-Omega, 38 seconds
3. SR-007, 40 seconds
4. 4070, 76 seconds
5. HE60, 93 seconds
6. SR-SC1, 96 seconds
7. SR-Lambda Pro, 119 seconds
post #255 of 2677
Aaron,get some of these tubes in the Aristaeus,quick!
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