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post #76 of 103
It had peaks (treble emphasis, and is boosted) in the higher frecuencies, but that not mean that for that, it have to be that harsh. If it sounded harsh with everything i wouldn't use this headphone for nothing...
And not, my hearing is excellent (i don't go to nightclubs or live concerts and i don't listen music Anytime) i care it a lot...; I can hear sounds from 10hz-21khz, obviously with some of difficulty (i need more of the normal volume to hear 10hz and a little less but not as different the 21Khz...), I have weakness to some sounds in the high frecuencies (i can't support the sound of some dry chalks in chalkboard/blackboard or also when something hard scratch it; or when the polystyrene is rub with another or when an metal (or something similar) scratch the glass.), some dog barkings are rather annoying to my ears too.
i known that the DT990 can be too much with some prominent/exaggerated sounds in that frequencies. Nevertheless you can recable your DT990 to sound smoother, but i don't known if the other sides of the frequency also can be affected (maybe for worst, but i don't known...). You don't need to buy the 600 ohm version, because you have to invert more money, and also in a more powerfull amp, only for a some "little" (nor big) improvement in that zone...

Ah yes, you would buy/test an Arietta Amp, and use the crossfeed to listen what you say...
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post
you know, the peaks in the dt990s frequency response are higher up in the treble regions than the grados. so if you're insensitive to higher frequencies, after 12khz and up (or have slowly lost hearing), you won't mind the dt990s sound signature, as they're pretty smooth in the lower treble/upper midrange.
for me without an eq, the dt990 is unbearably bright. i've tested my hearing and can hear up to 19khz (and 20khz very faintly so i don't count that). for this reason i like the smooth senn house sound over the dt990s. somehow, the proline 750 are also slightly bright but not offending to the ears (can be sometimes with a bad recording) but no where close to as much as the dt990s.

i can imagine the 600ohm version dt990 with a warm amp such a headfive/arietta with crossfeed on would sound amazing as it would ease the sibilance quite a bit.
post #77 of 103
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post
you know, the peaks in the dt990s frequency response are higher up in the treble regions than the grados. so if you're insensitive to higher frequencies, after 12khz and up (or have slowly lost hearing), you won't mind the dt990s sound signature, as they're pretty smooth in the lower treble/upper midrange.
for me without an eq, the dt990 is unbearably bright. i've tested my hearing and can hear up to 19khz (and 20khz very faintly so i don't count that). for this reason i like the smooth senn house sound over the dt990s. somehow, the proline 750 are also slightly bright but not offending to the ears (can be sometimes with a bad recording) but no where close to as much as the dt990s.

i can imagine the 600ohm version dt990 with a warm amp such a headfive/arietta with crossfeed on would sound amazing as it would ease the sibilance quite a bit.
Just for the sake of accuracy, the DT990 and the Grado 325i have their treble peak centered identically, at about 9kHz. The Grado peak is +15db versus the level at 1kHz, whereas the DT990 (250 ohm) is "only" +10db. So no matter how you look at it, the Grado has the stronger treble peak.

The DT990 has another +10db peak above 20kHz, but that is highly unlikely to be audible by most people even with test tones, and certainly will have minimal impact with normal music.

I can hear 19kHz test tones. I find the Grado treble to be harsher than Beyer's. But looking at the data, the Grado peak is in the same exact place, and worse.
post #78 of 103
in some songs, i can actually hear a tone close to 20khz in the background. ofcourse this is only in badly recorded tracks. it pierces the ear like an impossibly thin needle.

i'm glad i have an eq for the 990s. i just bought the H5 (which u reviewed i think skylab). i hope the warmth of the amp+crossfeed and some eq'ing will add to its performance and maybe improve the tonal balance.
post #79 of 103
I find the brightness to be very welcoming.. It's not harsh or offensive brightness.. I'm having trouble finding the correct words to describe it.. I just wish the DT990's were more up front.. I always picture myself in the back when I listen to them..
post #80 of 103
DT880's are very open, bright, clinically precise. I didn't find them to be very musical though nor very pleasurable to listen too. I think they would make decent 'all round' headphones though for gaming, particularly gaming though because of their huge open soundstage, but I thought they were a bit flat and a bit sterile when it came to music. I'm trying to think of genre examples where they would shine. I think they'd work well for jazz, or open and warm acoustic sort of music which has a lot of dynamics. Would make them sound lively that way.

I had the same problem with my M3ti's and Panasonic though. The sound signature was very similar to the Beyer DT 880s. Pretty good for movies and classical/warmer music but not very fun to listen too. I went the total opposite direction and prefer it this way I think.
post #81 of 103
Sorry, but calling the DT880's uninvolving is a big mistake IMHO. It's more due to uninvolving nature of the rest of the equipment. This is the biggest advantage of those headphones IMHO - referring to my '05 Pro version. They don't create their own world but show what they get. If you deliver beauty, you get beauty, if you deliver crap, you hear crap. It's important for me because I like DIYing so I can clearly hear any changes when altering parts or design solutions in my amp or CDP modifications. The DT880's are very musical in my understanding of this word which is for me fidelity and impression of being right there. The first headphones which provided me with this feeling were the SR325i's but the DT880 Pro's seem to do it slightly better, and they scale up very high. It's a similar situation like with the HD600's - these headphones can sound very, very good but they might disappoint even on a medium class headphile combo.
Today I burnt a CD with tracks both original and made of mp3 streams, some classical and two Pink Floyd songs - one live and one studio. The guy who shared the CD image put them in a random order and the file with the answers put separately. After listening via the DT880 Pro's I didn't even need to open that file to know which tracks deliver great sonic pleasure and which of them are aural torment. IIRC, these were 320kb/s files - LAME Joint Stereo mode as judged my my ears.
post #82 of 103
How well would the 880s and 990s mix with a CMoy amp?
post #83 of 103
the cmoy would have troubles with the 880s thats for sure, 880s just sound so uninvolving without a good HOME amp, sure it won't sound bad with a cmoy, but it won't sound good either.
post #84 of 103
What would you recommend for a low budget to power them?
post #85 of 103
I wouldn't have a clue to be honest. If I had to retake my journey, I'd just save up for a good tube amp. Really, I don't think many portables will drive the 880's well at all. If they did, I'm sure they wouldn't be cheap either ):
post #86 of 103
I can't justify the price of a tube amp. I don't know much about tube amps when it comes to headphones, but I can barely tell the difference when it comes to large guitar amplifiers. In a guitar amp application a tube amp is more worthwhile due to the fact you often want distortion when playing guitar and the distortion of a tube amp sounds better than transistors, and even there I barely hear a difference.

Given that I won't have a high-end home headphone amp, compared to either the 880s or 990s with a CMoy amp (I had the CMoyBB in mind) are there better options for headphones for an equal or lower price?
post #87 of 103
You could try to get a rockhopper mini^3 portable amp for $125.
post #88 of 103
Is it actually worth it to buy an amplifier for $125 if the headphones cost $200?
post #89 of 103
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Originally Posted by majkel View Post
Sorry, but calling the DT880's uninvolving is a big mistake IMHO. It's more due to uninvolving nature of the rest of the equipment. This is the biggest advantage of those headphones IMHO - referring to my '05 Pro version. They don't create their own world but show what they get. If you deliver beauty, you get beauty, if you deliver crap, you hear crap.
Thank you.

You put it perfectly, that's exactly how I feel about my DT880s, they are very transparent to the rest of your rig.
post #90 of 103
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Originally Posted by kilgoretrout View Post
I can't justify the price of a tube amp. I don't know much about tube amps when it comes to headphones, but I can barely tell the difference when it comes to large guitar amplifiers. In a guitar amp application a tube amp is more worthwhile due to the fact you often want distortion when playing guitar and the distortion of a tube amp sounds better than transistors, and even there I barely hear a difference.

Given that I won't have a high-end home headphone amp, compared to either the 880s or 990s with a CMoy amp (I had the CMoyBB in mind) are there better options for headphones for an equal or lower price?
Don't get the Beyers if you aren't going to amp them properly, they won't be worth it.

Just get a pair of Grados if you want to use a portable amp, although they sound better if they are driven by an amp with a lot of current, they still sound great with lower end amplfication.

Comfort isn't as good as the Beyers, but it doesn't bother everyone.
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