Well, i am a little confused with your interpretation about that the soundstage of dt990 is more shallow than dt880, but it's further away?; please explain what you mean; or you refer to the soundstage width...?. The soundstage of dt880 is deeper than dt990 but closer. Well, here you mean that the soundstage in the dt880 is deeper but it sound closed in, or it not?
And it: and dt990 is like 6th row but with a 2m deep stage. If the DT990 is in the 6th row how is that it's 2m deep? and not 6m deep? (well unless the space in the six rows were narrower, that it did measure 2m deep...). well i understand it in another perspective, but i want that you clarify it better.
In other hand, yes, i can't sacrifice the airyness and spaciousness of my DT990 (with my Xmod with CMSS3D enabled in the middle, it sound more open) and the bass, and more when i want an headphone that sound with the stage of a loudspeaker, and it is the best (clear it depend of the kind of music/recording/etc quality that you hear) for that....
Was for all it, that i buy in the past year this headphone instead of the DT880
Yeah, i'd like a little bit more depth in the soundstage.
Originally Posted by Henmyr
The soundstage of dt990 is more shallow than dt880, but it's further away. The soundstage of dt880 is deeper than dt990 but closer. dt880 is like 4th row with a 4m deep stage, and dt990 is like 6th row but with a 2m deep stage.
Compared to the extreme airness of dt990, dt880 sounds a bit closed in, almost cave like.
Something my ms2i are good at, and dt880 almost equally good at is to tell more about the room and the position of the sound, for exemple a singer. You hear the direction of the singer, where the voice starts, and also "hear" where the voice ends in the depth of the soundstage. Hard to explain. If I use my imagination, I can almost put my fingers "behind" the sound. With dt990, I can hear the direction of the singer, but its not as easy to tell where the sound starts, and it's even harder to tell where it ends. This effect might have something to do with reflections in the cup, but not sure.
The detail retrieval is similar on both. DT990 can sound like it's more detailed in the hights, but this is mostly due to that it pushes those details forward. DT880 also have them but more laid back. Due to the tonal balance (which you say can be fixed) and the better positioning dt880 sound more natural, and it's thus easier to tell what the details really are and to position them correctly.
I have tried to eq the dt990, but I'm not very good at it. When I try to do it with the foobar eq, I always lose airness, and the depth of the stage is reduced even more. When turning of the eq it's like opening the window again and let the air in, but at the same time let the hights back up there.
i agree, you lower a little DB in the higher freq (above 8 Khz) in some trebly songs and it sounds good. Although it depend of the user preference...
Originally Posted by Shahrose
i agree, it took a LONG time for me to find the perfect eq setting for my dt990s (8-9 months of tweaking), but once i did they sounded pretty amazing. their soundstage is definately the largest i've ever heard. they give air and space to everything, such that it gives me the illusion of being at a large symphony hall. but you really need to get those treble spikes sorted out before you can get this effect.
Yeah the Arietta has a very good work, specially with sibilant music and sounds in general, with the crossfeed filter raised up, it soften the treble a little and make that the sound in general, sound clean. With my setup (with the help of my XMOD) i don't lose sounstage, quite the opposite, it sound deeper and wider. The only that i lose a little is a little bit of energy (or presence) in general and an minuscule bit of bass...
Originally Posted by hardstyler
I've had DT990pro for few months now. At first the treble was VERY harsh and pretty much intolerable when listening to most CDs.
Luckily my Arietta has a crossfeed filter. The crossfeed pretty much solved the whole problem for me. You do lose a tiny bit of airiness and soundstage but the headphones finally become listen able for long periods of time without any fatigue.
So yeah, if you find the treble on DT990 too harsh and too fatiguing, experiment with crossfeed (hardware or software)
This headphone don't get sibilance, is the source...
How is that the DT990 is not as airy as an HD600 if the senneisers (almost all) sound darker in his signature...?
With my DT990 when i listen a TV program, i difficulty can hear normal outside sounds (as the phone number at 3.15 meters away, or my cat when miaow, behind the door of my room at 1.15 meter away)
An yes, any headphone of those ,sound closed in with poor amplification.
For me (even) my DT990, sounds a little bit closed in without my XMOD, but that depend of the source that you are listen...
Originally Posted by mosi
I'm using a DT990 2005 32ohms since maybe a year and am still loving it. It seems like it was pretty much the sound signature that I was looking for. Coming from a senn HD600 I really like the punchy bass sound that the 990 has. For me its a fun can to listen to and I didn't notice any problems with fatigue yet.
I stopped to wonder why some people say its got sibilance. I tried to find any but for me there is none, just nice music. Also I can't remember anything about harsh trebles like manaox2 said, not back then and certainly not now.
Well maybe my hearing isn't exactly up to the task. I also fail to get any slight difference between 192kbit mp3 and the original CD but then again, oh what the hell. Ignorance is bliss they say.
Its not as airy as a HD600 and not as open. You will hear outside noises pretty clearly though since its an open can.
If I may add, the leather headbands they sell at the manufaktur at beyer are really awesome.
Yeah, that's the dilemma. For that his DT990 sound closed in. You have said it...
Yes, in the principle i had the same issue with the bass, but after of the minimum burn in time, the boomyness disappear. About the texture, it is excelent (much better than my DT770pro)
Originally Posted by Shahrose
mosi, there could be several reasons for this. your setup is a dark one that rolls off the high treble frequencies, which is a very good matchup with the dt990's sibilant sound signature. or...you might have lost or reduced hearing in those frequencies, but that's entirely normal with age. i'm not sure which it is.
as for bass texture, manaox2 mentioned there's little texture, which i have to disagree with. i remember when i first got them and ran them with a low power source for the first few months they were boomy and had no texture. boring but big bass. then i tried them with more powerful sources and amps, and i realized they have acceptably tight bass, and quite a bit of texture. the punch increased as well, enough to compact my eardrums on ever bass beat or drum hit. i remembered in a couple songs when the first bass beat came on, i blinked my eyes reflectively. that was the first time it ever happened.
i've heard before crossfeed rolls off the upper frequencies which is great. i can see why skylab who has the 600ohm version and also uses crossfeed loves his dt990s, since i can't imagine any sibilance on that setup. i get a similar effect when using dolby headphone (but i only use that for movies).
Yes in general terms, but not with the Beyerrdynamic DT990 SE, it has a little bitt more impact than my DT770 but less deep bass volume (and strenght), and for that it doesn't resonate as much as the DT770 because of the chambers (one is completely sealed and the other is %60 open...)
In other hand the DT770 has an weaker midbass and specially high bass in comparison with his lower bass.
And yeah, open headphones sound more natural and with an more spacious sound overall, as you say in your third sentence.
Originally Posted by captainbrendo
Speaking in general terms, an open can has a larger soundstage and less impactful bass. Most closed cans have a good bump in the upper bass but a smaller soundstage. I find that most closed cans also are less detailed and natural sounding than open cans. Open cans are more airy and just seem to breathe better.
If you've never heard an open can, it may be worth trying one out, since IMHO, they are very good.