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post #46 of 57
as an ex owner of the 595 I can say that they are very nice starting can, they were my first full size headphone and i glad they were. they sure can be a little piercing sometimes but i liked it, and i am also a grado fan so a little treble don't scare me.
anyway, recentely i purchased a HD650 abd IMHO they are very neutral sounding headphones... I dont think their bass is too much, and it is not bloated or muddy in any way, it is super tight and the treble extention is right on the spot IMO. If you want coloured, get the denon AHD5000 (or any of that series) or grado for super bright (and super awsome) sound.

the hd650 just need some burn in time and and good amplification.
I also didn't like them in the first 10 hours, but after some burn in (and my ears got used to the new sound) I realised what i am dealing with...a very high grade audiophile can indeed.
for me the hd650 are a combination of neutral and fun altogether.

but again...they sure need some very good amplification and source. my headroom ultra micro stack is handling them with enough authority, but I just feel that I can get much more than that. my next step will be to go balanced ... there isn't better than that.
post #47 of 57
I'm considering the 555, 595, or 650. However, I don't have an amp, so I don't think I could power the 650's. Which of the 3 headphones would provide the most realistic soundstage for classic rock music?

Would this amp be good to use with the 650's? Newegg.com - HT | OMEGA Claro Halo 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Card w/ a built-in HI-FI Headphone Amplifier - Sound Cards


Thanks,

Sean
post #48 of 57
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Originally Posted by sw98 View Post
I'm considering the 555, 595, or 650. However, I don't have an amp, so I don't think I could power the 650's. Which of the 3 headphones would provide the most realistic soundstage for classic rock music?

Would this amp be good to use with the 650's? Newegg.com - HT | OMEGA Claro Halo 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Card w/ a built-in HI-FI Headphone Amplifier - Sound Cards


Thanks,

Sean
I have this card with the 595 and it sounds pretty good. I am a complete noob when it comes to audiophiling, and the only other pairs of cans I used to have were the Sony MDRV-700 with onboard sound. This combination is definitely a step up from anything I have ever heard. The 595, I think, are a bit lacking in the bass department which is kind of a problem for me as I like to mainly listen to techno. They also seem to be a bit piercing at higher volumes but never tooo bad that it hurts. At normal volumes (4/10), they are so relaxing and easy to listen to with no fatigue that I can notice. As far as comfort goes, they are the most comfortable pair of anything that has ever rested on my head for hours at a time.

Now my question is,

With this sound card, would I benefit noticeably (remember, I don't have much to compare to) by stepping up to the 600 series? Would I need an external amp? Would that render the amp already on the sound card useless? Aftermarket cable? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
post #49 of 57
"never had harsh highs from HD595 in my experience.
Can listen to them for hours without fatigue."

Totally agree. So what are other people hearing?
post #50 of 57
agree also. they are a little bright, have enough bass (for me anyway), maybe not a bass heads can though.

i think i read in here sometime someone came back to them (595) & was pleased, i think it was 'cos of the position of the cups? like, the cups are a generous size even for big-ears, so there is a 'sweet spot' to be had - if you move them back or forth slightly (different to how one normally had it)?
post #51 of 57
^^ yes I prefer them more with the headband pushed anteriorly (towards forehead )
post #52 of 57
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"With this sound card, would I benefit noticeably (remember, I don't have much to compare to) by stepping up to the 600 series? Would I need an external amp? Would that render the amp already on the sound card useless? Aftermarket cable?"
anyone might have any information or knowledge on any of this? Thanks!
post #53 of 57
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Originally Posted by tom1l21 View Post
anyone might have any information or knowledge on any of this? Thanks!
the soundcard won't be able to drive HD600 so you definitely need an amp. A desktop amp, and a powerful one!

just hold on to the stock cables first until you get a good source and a good amp.
post #54 of 57
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Originally Posted by ting.mike View Post
the soundcard won't be able to drive HD600 so you definitely need an amp. A desktop amp, and a powerful one!

just hold on to the stock cables first until you get a good source and a good amp.

Hmmm, I might just hold off on that since i bought the halo because of its amp. Since I'm mainly a vocal trance/gamer, would it even be worth upgrading to the 650's? I'm pretty satisfied with the 595's just wish they had a bit more bass. They need about 200 more hours of burn in and I might even do some opamp replacements (for bass) which should probably be enough for me, no?
post #55 of 57
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post
"never had harsh highs from HD595 in my experience.
Can listen to them for hours without fatigue."

Totally agree. So what are other people hearing?
I absolutely love my HD595 and don't have a problem with harsh highs. Very comfortable and I can listen for hours without being tired. I wish they had more bass thought. Does the HD600 or HD650 have better bass? Don't know if I can afford to upgrade, but if they are much better it might be worth it.
post #56 of 57
My 580's are beat and I want to replace them with either 600's or 650's. I only listen at home with a very good source, good tube amplifier, and stefan art e-series cable, so they will be fed and driven properly. I've been told that the 600's are better when pampered like this, and that the 650's are better with an ipod or similar. Is this true? Would I be better off with the 600's? I listen to jazz and softer types of popular music. Thanks for your help.
post #57 of 57
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Originally Posted by ADD View Post

If you are talking about classical music then in my opinion the HD595 is without a doubt the worse headphone I have ever used for it. Flat soundstage, grainy treble and completely unrealistic representation of acoustic instrument timbre. And my HD580 is the best I have ever heard for classical. I think the HD580 has much more in common with an HD650 than it does a HD595. Some consider the HD595 to be the odd one out in the Sennheiser range and I have to agree with Headphonic Australia when they use the term "faulty" in describing it's sound.

Sorry to be so blunt but I truly think that the HD650 is miles (and miles and miles) ahead in terms of fidelity and accuracy compared to the HD595 for acoustic music. That said, a Cute Beyond battery amp will struggle with it and it might sound incoherent and muddy. On the other hand the HD595 is extremely easy to drive and thus might appear to be a better phone until you get into better amplification - and the HD650 will pull considerably ahead.

It sounds too like you are simply experiencing the typical effect of listening to stereo music via headphones when you speak of that double bass syndrome. That is exactly what it is like. And that is what things like Dolby Headphone fix.

But of the solutions you have mused over, I think the best one was indeed "get used to the sound because it is truly better".

I don't have the 580 or the 650, but I don't know what you are talking about, the 595 is wonderful headphones, big sound stage smooth treble and very realistic representation on any thing you listen to. now, can things be better , Sure but putting the 595 at the end of the day and putting my iPod ( using little dot tube amp) on shuffle is a true blissful experience every time.

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