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post #16 of 226
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Originally Posted by lordmozilla View Post
Because?? ok so microsoft are gonna release a big patch cause their OS is so buggy, that doesnt mean you should believe that their SP will not be buggy either. people are so gullible. Its marketing.

What is so buggy? I have had no big problems with Vista. In fact, Vista has not once crashed on me. And if an APP freezes, the task manager reacts INSTANTLY. In XP, there was a good chance your task manager wouldn't pop up or do anything when you tried to kill an APP.


I'll go as far to say Microsoft has the best damned software engineers. Linux as a desktop platform with bleeding edge hardware is a joke. You can't even get a nice 7 button mouse to work properly, let alone most sound cards or power applications. As for Mac, they are having their own share of problems with Leopard. Mac should have very few if any problems, seeing as how they develop on a closed platform.
post #17 of 226
lol i have two friends with vista on laptops, and both have IE crash all the time. They are on the latest patches, and have good antivirus/spyware protection. IE is always crashing, to the point that they are using total commader and firefox now. And whats wrong with doing ctrl+alt+del when an app freezes? i mean also vista is too quick at decideding an app is unresponsive and kills it in a real nasty way leaving bad residues. Watch how it kills notes 8 and what state it leaves it in.

the task manager coming up when an app freezes isnt exactly rocket science AHAHA.

A 7 button mouse not working? ever heard of an xorg config? Just cause you dont know how it works doesnt mean it doesn't... As for soundcards it hasnt been an area with the best support but there arent many cards out there without at least beta oss drivers that work pretty well, i got my extigy to work wiht all the front panel buttons with the lovely driver exaudio.

I'm not saying linux is for everyone, and i'm not trying to convince no one to use it, but dont say it cant configure a 7 button mouse PLEASE.
post #18 of 226
Vista has been rock solid for me. All these horror stories seem to be pure hyperbole.
post #19 of 226
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Originally Posted by lordmozilla View Post
lol i have two friends with vista on laptops, and both have IE crash all the time. They are on the latest patches, and have good antivirus/spyware protection. IE is always crashing, to the point that they are using total commader and firefox now. And whats wrong with doing ctrl+alt+del when an app freezes? i mean also vista is too quick at decideding an app is unresponsive and kills it in a real nasty way leaving bad residues. Watch how it kills notes 8 and what state it leaves it in.

the task manager coming up when an app freezes isnt exactly rocket science AHAHA.

A 7 button mouse not working? ever heard of an xorg config? Just cause you dont know how it works doesnt mean it doesn't... As for soundcards it hasnt been an area with the best support but there arent many cards out there without at least beta oss drivers that work pretty well, i got my extigy to work wiht all the front panel buttons with the lovely driver exaudio.

I'm not saying linux is for everyone, and i'm not trying to convince no one to use it, but dont say it cant configure a 7 button mouse PLEASE.

Ohh, I can get some of the buttons to work in my internet browser. But being able to assign those buttons to work in other apps like teamspeak, yeah right. It doesn't matter anyhow, it takes searching the internet for forums that describe how to edit 10-12 lines of a config file so my mouse works on a browser. If I mess up the xorg.conf file, I can't get back into my GUI. This process can take 30-60 minutes for a newcomer. It's already too much for 98% of people to care to deal with.


Why on earth are they using IE? I thought it was common knowledge to use Firefox these days.
post #20 of 226
lol its really easy to assign buttons to different applications, i've done it with my Mx518. And yeah its not necceseraly easy, but its doable. You said "You can't ". I disagree.

and getting back to gui i easy come on make a backup and mv the backup over the original and just startx. not hard.

They use IE because they are clueless people that just use vista because thats what came on their laptops. I felt sorry and put a good antivirus and antispyware on there. (also the fact they are on my wireless network helped lol).

and i thought it was common knowledge to stick to XP SP2.....
post #21 of 226
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Originally Posted by lordmozilla View Post
The only thing where I think Microsoft made a genuine mistake, (and i mean a big one), was to not make Vista a 64bit only OS. That would have forced manufacturers to write good 64bit drivers (sorry but they dont exist atm), make sure applications where compatible with it too. We are at an age where 4gb is quikcly becoming the norm in high end desktops, and its not gonna stop just cause Microsoft says so.

If Vista was just 64bit, that would KILL windows. 64bit is maturing the way 32 bit did for Windows: Microsoft has got to keep lagacy for their previous business apps. If they don't, no business would want it.....and home users would have less reason to transition to 64bit.

I'm not sure what you mean about no good 64bit drivers: I have not had any problems with my 64bit version of XSI Advanced with Nvidia Quadro card. I even decided to get a tuner card (ATI no less....the worst company for driver support), and it runs fine on Vista.

The buggiest parts of 64bit Vista are some issues with 32bit support (32bit Firefox doesn't seem too stable)....but it's minor since I imagine more 64bit programs will be coming out.
post #22 of 226
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Originally Posted by Davesrose View Post
If Vista was just 64bit, that would KILL windows. 64bit is maturing the way 32 bit did for Windows: Microsoft has got to keep lagacy for their previous business apps. If they don't, no business would want it.....and home users would have less reason to transition to 64bit.

I'm not sure what you mean about no good 64bit drivers: I have not had any problems with my 64bit version of XSI Advanced with Nvidia Quadro card. I even decided to get a tuner card (ATI no less....the worst company for driver support), and it runs fine on Vista.

The buggiest parts of 64bit Vista are some issues with 32bit support (32bit Firefox doesn't seem too stable)....but it's minor since I imagine more 64bit programs will be coming out.
You make a good point, but in my mind, if we are looking to the future with vista, then we are talking more than 4gb of ram. (intel PAE 36bit support doesnt count since it is shoddy). I didnt mean kill 32bit support as in not let 32bit apps run, no, that has to be kept, but i dont see why microsoft didnt limit vista to 64bit processors, i mean processors capable of running vista have 64bit extensions anyways, and no one with a northwood or Athlon XP should be going vista.

As for drivers, your right its hit and miss, and they have gotten better, but if they had made it 64bit only there wouldnt be this problem. and definately wouldnt have been such an issue at the release.
post #23 of 226
Well if Vista came on my laptop i sure a heck wouldn't be ripping it off to put XP on it..

So you put a good A/V and antipsyware on, but not firefox?

I've had no problems with Vista whatsoever.. dad a couple of bluescrrens when i was overclocking, but then I realised the problem, corrected the hardware settings, and it's been rock solid ever since.
post #24 of 226
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Originally Posted by craiglester View Post

So you put a good A/V and antipsyware on, but not firefox?
i did and vlc, but i didnt think they'd use it. It was when i realised that explorer crashed all the time i put total commander on there.

I just dont understand the point of vista. Sure its a little prettier, but it does nothign better only worst. anyways this is the end of me in this argument, i'm sure you'lve all understood my point.
post #25 of 226
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Originally Posted by lordmozilla View Post
I just dont understand the point of vista. Sure its a little prettier, but it does nothign better only worst. anyways this is the end of me in this argument, i'm sure you'lve all understood my point.

It's quicker, more stable, more intuitive GUI, DX10 support, and a mainstream 64-bit solution. And now that it's been out nearly a year, there's almost no driver or software problems holding it back.

So long as one has the hardware specs (mainly 2gb of ram or more), Vista is a pleasure to use.
post #26 of 226
Well i've actually spent lots of time dippin in other pools linux, mac os, 98, xp, xp64 vista 32 and vista64 ultimate is one i keep returning to.


If i did not like my games and autocad for work so much i would get rid of vista entirely. BUT running ultimate 64bit on my brand new gaming/autocad rig, i have to say it blows xp out of the water 10fold. If you have an older system then of course its not going to run as well (by older i can mean even only a year old) Its going to run buggy laggy and slow. And thats a user issue not a os issue. Its designed for some pretty serious computers now, and its about time an os actually makes people upgrade. As opposed to mac which seams to be taking the opposite path with their release of osx86

64 bit processing with gobs of power helps, as does lots of high quality ram fast hardrives and a hell of a video processing system. cough crossfire cough.

Its fast at simple tasks, burning large dvd's packing and unpacking files and moving files from place to place. I can personally attest to how well photoshop and autocad work on a 64 bit platform, and Games benchmark way better scores on vista 64 than any other os out there period.


If your using it just to play music, its great aside from some of the lack of drivers for 64 bit (M-Audio). It seams aside from audio hardware or older video hardware most companies are making their drivers for 64 bit and quite well written at that. I have no problems playing some high end games with some not so high end video cards. and the 64 bit part helps a bunch. I'm sure most of you already know what most people thought of xp 64bit.



All in all I really enjoy it over the 7 year old os know as XP. Its time for a change, one for the better and this is it.
post #27 of 226
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Originally Posted by lordmozilla View Post
You make a good point, but in my mind, if we are looking to the future with vista, then we are talking more than 4gb of ram. (intel PAE 36bit support doesnt count since it is shoddy). I didnt mean kill 32bit support as in not let 32bit apps run, no, that has to be kept, but i dont see why microsoft didnt limit vista to 64bit processors, i mean processors capable of running vista have 64bit extensions anyways, and no one with a northwood or Athlon XP should be going vista.
Certainly, as a 3D animator, I can see the huge importance of 64bit. But I also know from a software development standpoint, it's going to take some time to transition. Even apps that need 64bit have been very slow to be native 64. I used to be running Maya: which 8.0 only had a 64bit mental ray renderer.....even some of the processes were not multithreaded. Now, at least, most all new versions of the 3D apps are 64bit and completely multithreaded.

Seems to me, Vista is being just like OS X.....right down to having a native program files directory, as well as a (X86) directory. 64bit is good for memory management, but processor intensive tasks have also needed multithreading support. My old workstation was a dual processor Xeon, and I noticed it still held many advantages then dual core with older OSes (including XP SP 2). Now, my main desktop is a single dual core. At some point, I'll probably get a dual duo or quad core Xeon. That should produce some crazy fast rendering speeds!

I just consider Windows or Mac for OSes, because I'm an artist and need a KISS GUI. By the time 16GB is common place, 32bit will be a memory (no pun intended)!
post #28 of 226
I use to hate it on my sisters laptop, but then she only had 768mb of ram on it so it slow and sluggish. Installed 4gb's of ram and it runs great, maybe not as snappy as XP(just need to turn off that eye candy crap), but it works.
post #29 of 226
I am currently dabbling in Vista. My opinion is:

Nice to look at -- but at least in its current form, it's not quite there yet. Some things run as slow as you-know-what, while other things are reasonably snappy provided that you have enough memory installed.
post #30 of 226
I read a lot of PC magazines and I really haven't heard anything positive. I tried to run a dual boot with XP and that killed my PC so I went back to XP. In a business environment we are trying to stay with XP as long as possible.
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