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post #16 of 525
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Originally Posted by jp11801 View Post
There are NO other digital inputs on this unit and it is designed for Mac users only.
Thanks for saving me from wasting my time reading all that.
post #17 of 525
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Originally Posted by saint.panda View Post
Hey, if it sounds better to you, all the better. I believe you can just use the dac information available for the Apogee Ensemble.

Could somebody post a real life picture of the Duet? Just to get an impression of the size and how it compares to popular portable headphone amps.
I haven't heard the mini dac in a while so I guess before I say it's better than the Duet, I should compare the two like I've been doing with the Cosecant.

Here is a pic:

post #18 of 525
Do you think Duet will work if you're running XP via bootcamp on the Mac?
post #19 of 525
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Originally Posted by Edwood View Post
Thanks for saving me from wasting my time reading all that.
Seriously. What are we simple optical/coax digital users supposed to do, suck our thumbs if we don't have a mac? Lookit - I'm sure they coulda put at least one digital in that wasn't firewire!

  • Two channels of professional-quality 24-bit/96kHz audio input and output
  • Two balanced XLR inputs, with selectable 48V phantom power on each input
  • Two unbalanced high impedance instrument inputs
  • One high-level stereo headphone output
  • Two unbalanced -10 dBV line outputs for powered speakers
  • Multi-function controller knob for volume and input gain control and assignable MIDI control
  • Multi-segment LED meters to display input or output levels
  • FireWire 400, compatible with Mac OS X Core Audio
  • Control functions built directly into Apple’s Logic Pro, Soundtrack Pro and GarageBand
  • Compatible with any Core Audio-compliant audio application
  • Apogee’s Maestro software for advanced control and low latency mixing
  • Dimensions: 4" W x 6.3" L x 1.5" H
post #20 of 525
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Do you think Duet will work if you're running XP via bootcamp on the Mac?
Yeah, JimP, I think it'll work with hardly a hitch. My Parallels works with my ensemble... It doesn't always sound as good as on pure mac though, it seems to quickly pause or barely glitch a pinch once in a while--maybe I need more memory for the beast, but I get no glitches or pauses on the pure mac... (Maybe you'll discover a setting that will fix my parallels?)
post #21 of 525
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Originally Posted by Jahn View Post
Seriously. What are we simple optical/coax digital users supposed to do, suck our thumbs if we don't have a mac? Lookit - I'm sure they coulda put at least one digital in that wasn't firewire!
It's targeted toward folks who want to record, not simply listen.....as, one must admit, are all of Apogee's products!
post #22 of 525
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Originally Posted by sejarzo View Post
It's targeted toward folks who want to record, not simply listen.....as, one must admit, are all of Apogee's products!
this product was designed as a portable solution to those using the mac logic recoding platform. It is a happy coincident that it sounds great. It was not designed for the home audio enthusiast but for mobile digital recording that provides great sound
post #23 of 525
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Originally Posted by saint.panda View Post
The Duet's uses the same converters as the multi-channel Ensemble, but the verdict on gearslutz.com seems to be that the Mini-Dac still has the slightly better d/a section. Some, however, claim that the Ensemble's d/a is just under the Rosetta.

I'm still trying to decide between the Pico and Duet for portable laptop headphone listening, but the Mac-only aspect somehow speaks for the Duet. "Sorry, you can't connect that to your laptop. It's Mac-only."
i read that entire gearslutz thread and out of 700+ posts regarding the merits of the Duet, i could probably count on one hand the number of impressions of the actual sound (as opposed to the technical merits) of the D/A section.
as mentioned, the Duet is targeted towards those more concerned with the A/D conversion side of things.
having said that, i'm pretty excited about this unit. if it sounds as good as claimed, it would not only offer an excellent source, but would let one explore home recording possibilities.
i look forward to more impressions.
post #24 of 525
I picked up a sound level meter today and was able to equalize the volume between the Cosecant and the Duet. I used a Cardas Burn In Sweep to match the volume. The Duet has the higher output. The volume control on the integrated has a digital readout so it was easy to figure out how to equalize the volume for the two sources. As I've said before, the biggest difference between the two is the bass response. There is no question, now that the volume is balanced between the sources, the bass goes deeper with the Duet. It's more palpable from the Duet. The Cosecant has a bit dryer sound. With less bass prominence, it seems to take away from the depth of the image. The mids seem about the same with some more warmth from the Duet. The highs seem to be fairly close. I don't think the warmth of the Duet is due to any high end roll off. If there was, I'm not picking it up. I put on So What to see if either source picks up the cough you can hear at 9 seconds in any better. Both picked it up and it was pretty even.

I've been just listening to the Duet and thinking whether I can live with the sound I'm hearing if this was my source and the answer is yes.


The beauty of this is no one has to rely upon what I am saying. Contact Paul Allen at Sweetwater Sound, tell him that you want the deal with overnight shipping for an extra $10 and try it yourself for 30 days and decide for yourselves. You can also go to Guitar Center but Sweetwater's customer service is second to none so I want to support them.
post #25 of 525
I'm calling FOTM on the duet.

Glad you are enjoying yours JP nums.
post #26 of 525
What a great looking little device and then it supports only Mac. That sucks big time.
post #27 of 525
Core audio makes bringing devices like this to market much easier. So apogee, an audio, rather than computer, company, didn't want to go through the work it took to get it to sound as good with windows. Who can blame them. After all, a mac mini + a duet is cheaper than a benchmark w/ usb, and includes a top notch ADC taboot.
post #28 of 525
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Originally Posted by philodox View Post
I'm calling FOTM on the duet.

Glad you are enjoying yours JP nums.
Wow, not feeling the love. I'm enjoying my Duet as well.
post #29 of 525
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Wow, not feeling the love. I'm enjoying my Duet as well.
Mike wait until the Mayberry verdict!!

I really beleive the Mac only/Core Audio is why this sounds so good.

I spent last night listening to the duet with my HP2s and they sounded great and yes I am questioning the cosecant at this time as I think I could be very happy with the Duet. If people want to claim FOTM that's cool I've switched gear more often then some here change their underwear so I guess that's fair comment on me but I do urge people to give the Duet a listen.

I really would welcome both positive and negative comments from others that have heard this device. It may not be for all particularly those that seek to have the sound shaped by the source component so that it has a sonic signature it overlays on the music. The duet seems to me to get out of the way and does not have a sonic adgenda. My thoughts are more based on the intended audience, recording musicians
post #30 of 525
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Originally Posted by grawk View Post
Core audio makes bringing devices like this to market much easier. So apogee, an audio, rather than computer, company, didn't want to go through the work it took to get it to sound as good with windows. Who can blame them. After all, a mac mini + a duet is cheaper than a benchmark w/ usb, and includes a top notch ADC taboot.
while i agree that core audio probably allows for more seamless integration, and that Vista has its isssues, the main reason the Windows platform is being ignored is because Apogee and Apple are in full partnership on this one.
judging by the looks of the Duet alone, i'd say Apple had a big hand in it's simplistic and sleek design.
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