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post #31 of 53
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Originally Posted by kappa_ii View Post
no no no
is no comparison "everyway"

i have both - and the prelude is not - only better - is incredible vs 0404
the 0404 is mediocre - inferior - even terratec aureon space is better in some way .

i will mod 0404 usb - "in a short while ."
Bah, the 0404 usb is considerably better than my x-fi prelude. The prelude sounds less dynamic and a bit dull. Maybe you should try changing your interconnects or something. Do you have an amp?
post #32 of 53

aha

"Quote:
Originally Posted by kappa_ii
no no no
is no comparison "everyway"

i have both - and the prelude is not - only better - is incredible vs 0404
the 0404 is mediocre - inferior - even terratec aureon space is better in some way .

i will mod 0404 usb - "in a short while ."

Bah, the 0404 usb is considerably better than my x-fi prelude. The prelude sounds less dynamic and a bit dull. Maybe you should try changing your interconnects or something. Do you have an amp? "


man - you ever tried the prelude ?
i have tried
fortissimo 4
terratec aureon space
audigy 2 zs
audigy x-fi elite pro
esi juli@
asus xonar
an onbord card - intel high definition , realtek high definition . and some external card

some other dac - amp
ibasso d1 , rockna RD2 DAC

auzentech prelude is more like rockna RD2 ,
the 0404 usb 2.0 is not a good dynamic card and have a muddled and sibilant sound , - is more like audigy 2 zs . not much difference .
in two three days i will try to mod the 0404 usb .

in my opinion the 0404 is a very "low sound" card -

i have three headphone - sennheiser hd595 , akg k701 , beyerdynamic dt880pro .
and a amp - " more or less like Heed CanAmp "

maarek - show me , where you see - a comparison between prelude and 0404 .
post #33 of 53
You can use 0404 as a dac, can you? Don't plug the USB, use those SPDIF/IN connections.
post #34 of 53
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Originally Posted by kappa_ii View Post
man - you ever tried the prelude ?
i have tried ...
Yes, I have both. The difference between them is small. The Prelude is more closed in with a slightly warmer sound, the 0404 more open, dynamic and slightly brighter.

The difference is not "OMG night and day for the Prelude!".

The Prelude does have a stronger output so be sure the check your volume levels. It's very easy to think it has better sound because it comes out louder.

And I don't plug my headphones directly into them but I use a Black Cube Linear as an amp.

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maarek - show me , where you see - a comparison between prelude and 0404 .
Isn't the 0404 usb specs wise better. Atleast it has a lower noise floor (my 04040 usb anyway)
post #35 of 53
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Originally Posted by maarek99 View Post
And I don't plug my headphones directly into them but I use a Black Cube Linear as an amp.
-Maybe that is the trouble. How can you really judge a soundcard when your using a extra amplification section?
post #36 of 53
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Originally Posted by ROBSCIX View Post
-Maybe that is the trouble. How can you really judge a soundcard when your using a extra amplification section?
What difference would it make, as long as he uses the amp for both?
post #37 of 53

aha

the amp - is to drive headphones -
the source in this case , will be the sound card -
if the source is bad - the sound will be bad and viceversa - despite the amp .

the e-mu 0404 usb 2.0 - is a good sound card , and that it .

prelude sound - is more then what i espected from a sound card .

"Yes, I have both. The difference between them is small. The Prelude is more closed in with a slightly warmer sound, the 0404 more open, dynamic and slightly brighter"

for me the prelude is not like that - is like an analytical one "only in bit perfect " - like hd595(crowded) vs akg k701(analitycal) .
0404 is like a conglomerate of tone sone blend tones in low and high frequency .
post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by progo View Post
You can use 0404 as a dac, can you? Don't plug the USB, use those SPDIF/IN connections.
Why do people keep suggesting that the USB mode is somehow inferior to using the S/PDIF inputs on the 0404 USB?

The 0404 USB uses proprietary driver/firmware/hardware to send the data stream to a buffer in the external box via USB bulk mode (with no embedded clock) and then reclocks it to the DAC, using its own clock in the external box. It does not operate in any way like a standard Windows USB Audio device operating in isochronous mode with adaptive sync.

It's a much better method to transfer the data stream to the DAC than S/PDIF. On some marginally capable, older PC's, one might run into issues with the increased CPU cycles required for the E-MU implementation, but otherwise there is no reason not to use USB.
post #39 of 53
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Originally Posted by sejarzo View Post
Why do people keep suggesting that the USB mode is somehow inferior to using the S/PDIF inputs on the 0404 USB?

The 0404 USB uses proprietary driver/firmware/hardware to send the data stream to a buffer in the external box via USB bulk mode (with no embedded clock) and then reclocks it to the DAC, using its own clock in the external box. It does not operate in any way like a standard Windows USB Audio device operating in isochronous mode with adaptive sync.

It's a much better method to transfer the data stream to the DAC than S/PDIF. On some marginally capable, older PC's, one might run into issues with the increased CPU cycles required for the E-MU implementation, but otherwise there is no reason not to use USB.
I think the mentioned problem of having only one stream in active at once is a reason to use SPDIF.
post #40 of 53
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Originally Posted by ROBSCIX View Post
-Maybe that is the trouble. How can you really judge a soundcard when your using a extra amplification section?
Very easily. I plug it in and take a listen. I never plug my hd650's straight into a soundcard because it just doesn't sound that good.
post #41 of 53
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Originally Posted by kappa_ii View Post
for me the prelude is not like that - is like an analytical one "only in bit perfect " -
Well there's another thing that's different from my experience. My Prelude sounds exactly the same in game mode or in bit-perfect mode. What should the difference be like? You do have cmss and others turned off?
post #42 of 53

aha

" Well there's another thing that's different from my experience. My Prelude sounds exactly the same in game mode or in bit-perfect mode. What should the difference be like? You do have cmss and others turned off? "

Oooo ! the difference is huge !
even in creation mode - if you have source of 44.1khz - and you play-it at 48khz , the loss in dinamic is huge - the sound become dull , effaced .


creation mode(bitperfect) vs game mode is like "night and day" ! with all option off

i will put some test later - where you will see what really happens .
even the linearity in game mode is like an odd oscilation (wave) , and the thd ,thd+n and IMD is higher .
- 0404 usb 2.0 there`s no difference from ASIO or no ASIO to my ear .
post #43 of 53
Semi-hijack of the thread but somewhat relevant.

Right now I'm using my motherboard's onboard audio, which is a SoundMax AD1988B setup and using the digital out from it to my Apogee MiniDac which is connected to my Headamp GS-X. AKG 701 Black Dragon Moon Audio cables are the headphones being used.

Would adding a dedicated soundcard to that food chain add anything for me? I'm thinking about gaming and "EAX 5.0" and all the rest of that.
post #44 of 53
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Originally Posted by A.Thorsen View Post
Would adding a dedicated soundcard to that food chain add anything for me? I'm thinking about gaming and "EAX 5.0" and all the rest of that.
Yes, adding a dedicated card will offload some of the sound processing to the sound card, freeing up a few CPU cycles and allowing the EAX effects to be transmitted to your external DAC.
post #45 of 53
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Originally Posted by kappa_ii View Post
Oooo ! the difference is huge !
even in creation mode - if you have source of 44.1khz - and you play-it at 48khz , the loss in dinamic is huge - the sound become dull , effaced .
I just tested the creation mode in bitperfect 44khz and I didn't hear much of a difference to other modes. It just sounds a bit dull, all the time

I'm using Vista, you?
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