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ERGO AMT (Air Motion Transformer) headphones

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hello all,

I come across this

ERGO headphones by Precide

and feel interested.

I cannot recall anyone discussed about this unique headphone technology in this forum, and would be glad if anyone can share their views and/or opinion. Is this something worth trying ?

Thanks for your time in advance.

F. Lo
post #2 of 18
Thread Starter 
Oops ! Found it here :-

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/erg...en-try-193982/

Quite tempting, I must admit.

F. Lo
post #3 of 18
I was going to say 'wait for Duggeh to appear' but you found Duggeh before he got here.
post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 
Yeah, I send an inquiry already.

Strangely this apparently capable headphone is not getting love here. Any reason why ?

F. Lo
post #5 of 18
expensive, rare, unusual, ridiculous-looking. Also heed Duggeh's warning that they'll need a better amp than the one Ergo makes to really sound their best. But yes, the Ergo AMT is one of the maybe 20 candidates for the ultra high end.
post #6 of 18
The review needs updating. Something I've been promising I'll get around to. You can read some more opinions of mine in this quite recent thread thread.

They are good, but they really are fussy bastards. The Amp 1 should only be considered a stop-gap measure. You've got to think K1000 type amp solutions and work from there. I regret I cant specifically comment on the Precide Amp 2.
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by facelvega View Post
expensive, rare, unusual, ridiculous-looking.
You referrin' to me?

Probably.

Mistah Duggeh, would you say that the main struggle the Ergo AMT has is reproducing bass at what we'd call normal levels, with the same subjective quality as comparably-priced dynamics/electrostats?
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by wualta View Post
You referrin' to me?

Probably.

Mistah Duggeh, would you say that the main struggle the Ergo AMT has is reproducing bass at what we'd call normal levels, with the same subjective quality as comparably-priced dynamics/electrostats?
No basshead is ever going to like the AMT ever. Bass is the most obvious thing that improves with better amps but so does everything else about the sound. The Amp2 has an EQ curve for the headphone built in as does the Amp1, and the filter box you are supposed to use (but which I generally dont) between the speaker amp and the headphone is to serve a similar purpose. Its a notch filter. Its made from crap parts though.

Quality is not an issue, what is there sounds great to my ears. But its a whole different kind of presentation. yes, its rolled off, but its low on impact rather than tone, a bit further along the road travelled from the dynamic bass to the electrostatic bass.
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggeh View Post
They are good, but they really are fussy bastards. The Amp 1 should only be considered a stop-gap measure. You've got to think K1000 type amp solutions and work from there. I regret I cant specifically comment on the Precide Amp 2.
The following is a reply from Precide regarding the Amp 2:

Quote:
The ERGO AMP 1 has 3 W of output with a special IC from Sanyo, the AMP 2 is a class A amplifier, which has been equalized for the AMT headphones. and can deliver 4 W in Class A and up to 12 W in Class B. Soundwise the AMP 2 will offer a lot more details than the AMP. 1 - End Quote.

Strangely, they did not say the AMP2 will deliver better bass ?!

F. Lo
post #10 of 18
I cant tell you that it will either. I can say though that a good power amplifier sounds better than the Amp 1.


If the Amp 2 didnt sound better than the Amp 1 (and the Amp 2 has no TRS socket and is not designed at all with normal dynamic headphones in mind, even though Precide also make those) then why would they have bothered with it.

I suspect that the Amp 2 AMT combo would sound pretty nice. Someday I'll be able to find out personally.
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Duggeh View Post
The review needs updating. Something I've been promising I'll get around to. You can read some more opinions of mine in this quite recent thread thread.

They are good, but they really are fussy bastards. The Amp 1 should only be considered a stop-gap measure. You've got to think K1000 type amp solutions and work from there. I regret I cant specifically comment on the Precide Amp 2.
Thanks for the lead.

I too am wondering if it is worthwhile to pull the trigger on an Amp 2. My current thoughts are to try the AMT with my Woo Audio 5, which has a speaker output of around 8 - 10 Watts into 8 ohm. The Woo Audio 5 has been driving my K1000 very very well and I guess it should be able to handle the AMT with some decent control. What I am not sure is whether a tubed amp may do to the AMT - as it is my impression that the WA5 is not the fastest of amps. Any thoughts ?

BTW, does the AMT come only with the strange proprietary connector ? Will it be easier to just reterminate into standard speaker spades ?

F. Lo
post #12 of 18
So can you actually reterminate Ergo AMT to use it directly through power amp a la K1000?

I've been interested in a pair of AMT, but the price has gone up and they show up on used market about as often as hen's teeth.
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by Salt Peanuts View Post
So can you actually reterminate Ergo AMT to use it directly through power amp a la K1000?
This is exactly what I want to find out. Precide replied to me that the WA5 spec looks o.k. for the AMT, but did not tell how to reterminate it.

F. Lo
post #14 of 18
You can and I can give the wire numbers to anyone who needs them.

I have mine terminated to 4-pin XLR just like the K1000. I use an XLR to Hirschmann (thats the name of the obsolete 6 pin connector they use) converter when I want to use the filter box. That's only until I build myself a better filter box though. Without the filter box I have an XLR to banana plugs tail.

If an amp does a good job with a K1000, then I would imagine that it would do a good job with the AMT. I cannot give my great big thumbs up to any amp except the Pass Labs Aleph M I currently use though. Which is by far the best amp I've tried with the AMT.

They only need 2 - 4 watts. So watch the volume dial at first.
post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 
Many thanks Duggeh ! As soon as I decide to pull the trigger I will email you for the information.

BTW, do you see any benefit of upgrading the cables as well ? K1000 does benefit from re-cabling. What will be your take on the AMT ?

Regards,
F. Lo
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