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post #16 of 56
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Originally Posted by penguindude View Post
You missed the point of "western aniaml protest industry"; you missed the idea behind the ban on ivory; and you're also misinformed about the ethical issues regarding luxury products such as this "elephant wallet." The point is not whether natives can hunt down and use wild species' parts as their survival needs, such as clothing and food (as originally intended). The point is because of Western countries' overconsumption, we're driving our wants over our needs, and shifting this burden onto animals and wild species.

I do not see any ethical issue regarding natives hunting down animals and fully using their body parts as living necessities, in fact, if they don't, it'd be seen as wasteful. HOWEVER, it is another story when people are hunting down elephants and other species to create luxury products for Western's demands, and in this case, making this elephant wallet and selling it on Ebay.

So yes, I say the idea behind getting a full size genuine leapord jacket with panda-skin matching shoes (or in this case, an elephant-skin wallet) is quite unethical.
I can't speak for the other guy you quoted, but I did not miss any of the points you bring up - maybe I just have a different outlook. I take a middle ground between total exploitation and total protection. I advocate both sustainable harvests and preservation of sufficient numbers of a species to preserve an intact gene pool. I am incensed at the killing of bears for their gall bladders, elephants for their ivory, fur seal pups, etc, etc, etc. There is a balance, but it is getting harder to find every year, due to human population increases and pressures for meat and land to farm. Even primitive subsistence hunting can put animals at peril if there are enough hunters.

Some might call the leopard jacket/panda shoes ensemble a red herring, but I get the point. I think what you want to say is that people need to get their heads screwed on straight, and refine their value systems.

PS, this might cheer your heart - in Siberia the current thaw is uncovering lots of Mastodon ivory. It might take some of the pressure off living Elephants.

Laz
post #17 of 56
Elephant leather would be as unethical as Cow leather

That the species is endangered adds a brand new layer of violation

I find any use of animal like so to be unethical. Putting our convenience at a price higher than the life of something, anything, is just disgusting.

And that's what this would be.. because.. it is just not necessary.
post #18 of 56
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Originally Posted by penguindude View Post
I say the idea behind getting a full size genuine leapord jacket with panda-skin matching shoes (or in this case, an elephant-skin wallet) is quite unethical.
But they're OH SO COMFY COZY on a cold Christmas eve! Santa was good to me this year... but I spilled my wassle and I can't get the spot out of the leopard!

See ya
Steve
post #19 of 56
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And that's what this would be.. because.. it is just not necessary.[/QUOTE]

*Yawn*
But your headphones are necessary, right?
post #20 of 56
Anybody interested in my custom made Grados? They have all ivory cups and the headband is genuine elephant leather and not that pressed cow leather stuff.
post #21 of 56
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Material : Cow Leather(Elephant Print)
post #22 of 56
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Originally Posted by penguindude View Post
The point is because of Western countries' overconsumption, we're driving our wants over our needs, and shifting this burden onto animals and wild species.
"the east" decimates far more endangered species populations than "the west" does. For every Englishman who had ivory billiard balls, there are 20,000 Chinese eating tiger-junk and shark soup.
post #23 of 56
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Originally Posted by Rock&Roll Ninja View Post
"the east" decimates far more endangered species populations than "the west" does. For every Englishman who had ivory billiard balls, there are 20,000 Chinese eating tiger-junk and shark soup.
Eating tiger-junk make me more man! Haha...it was fun watching Jeff Corwin bust a bunch of those guys
post #24 of 56
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Originally Posted by Rock&Roll Ninja View Post
"the east" decimates far more endangered species populations than "the west" does. For every Englishman who had ivory billiard balls, there are 20,000 Chinese eating tiger-junk and shark soup.
If I have my history right, I believe the idea of consumerism and the onset of overconsumption is brought on by the West. Im not trying to play the blaming game here, simply stating the fact that the envrionment is being decimated by our ludicrous luxurious wants. Remember how Native Africans were being forced by colonial powers for the exploitation of their precious natural resources? The ivory trade? The rubber trade? I acknowledge the fact that overconsumption is difficult to cut back, but at least we should do it with as little harm to our environment as possible.
post #25 of 56
Rock&Roll Ninja does have a point though. Large populations of endangered animals are often killed for reasons other than western overconsumption. Take a look at Alaska. The Natives in Alaska realize the importance of maintaining animal populations so they monitor the killing of animals very stringently. The amount of animal product available for purchase in Alaska is usually only limited to what the Natives will sell which is limited to only what can be obtained within the hunting permits for the year. But then compare that to a place like India where the Bengal tiger population is dwindling because poachers kill them primarily to sell within China which is responsible for killing all but three populations of tigers (Bengal, Siberian and, I believe, Sumatran are all that exist now) for the use of medicines and medicinal foods which are not shown to have any medicinal value, or by native Indians who venture into protected reserves to graze cattle and then kill the tigers because the tigers attack their bulls.
post #26 of 56
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Originally Posted by IceClass View Post
*Yawn*
But your headphones are necessary, right?
my headphones aren't the product of a murdered animal, this is completely incomparable in terms of ethics, or, really, anything

i am not impressed with your pseudo wit and feigned resilience and self-perceived having-a-clue-ness |:
post #27 of 56
This thread has gone on the skids. The padlock comes next.

Laz
post #28 of 56
what could you expect with a question, any question, pertaining to ethics?

disagreement is the skids?
post #29 of 56
If you guys can keep it non-political and non-libelous, then the thread can stay active. No personal attacks, please.
post #30 of 56
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Originally Posted by immtbiker View Post
If you guys can keep it non-political and non-libelous, then the thread can stay active. No personal attacks, please.
The nature of the OP's question is one of politics, the politics of ethics. So it's kinda hard to keep it non-political.
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