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I received the quotation for my trafo, costumed made by my favourite manufacturer.
Primary : 230V / Secondary : 260-0-260V@200mA | 6,3V@4A, 46 USD each + shipping fees.
Sure they will be less beautiful than the Hammonds but for me it's the best solution.
post #2342 of 3976
Here are a few lo-fi shots of my Bijou. Unlike many builds shown on this forum, it isn't pretty & some of it doesn't even fit on the chassis! I'm waiting on a couple of slightly larger Hammond chassis with perforated covers, which should finish it off functionally, if not very aesthetically. C1,3,4&6 reside inside the amp "box". HV & heater connecting cables are about one metre long which allows good physical separation of the amp & PS. I wouldn't go past about two metres unless using very HQ cables as heater voltage drop becomes a problem. Next mods will be trying Shinkoh/Caddock resistors in critical places & Blackgates for C2 in amp & C3 in PS). Not sure this will make much difference but there's not much else left to play with! I'll also try the kit NOS 6922's & 6N6P's as well as 6N1P's.
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post #2343 of 3976
Thread killer. NVM.
post #2344 of 3976
Interesting breadboarding technique Rolotube!

Well, I'm considering this mini-lathe (7 x 10) from Harbor-Freight for $349.99 with a $100.00 discount. Unfortunately I received a rain-check, so who knows when they would re-stock it. It weighs 89 lbs, so it's semi-portable, and can turn up to 2 and 3/4 inch(diameter) material. I'm thinking about knobs, push-switches, connectors and illuminating devices.
post #2345 of 3976
Rolotube, your Bijou must sound awesome. As you say, I am finding that going from the merely functional (casing) to the esthetically pleasing may be the hardest part of the whole project.

Amphead, you're really getting into a machine shop mindset. When are you going to start taking orders for custom knobs?

Funch, YGPM.
post #2346 of 3976
Thanks amphead.

Lathe looks nice. No doubt your builds will be stunning both aesthetically & aurally once you get the hang of this beast. I greatly admire the effort & imagination that has gone into many of the builds shown on both this & Headwize forums. I've always subscribed to the philosophy of "form follows function", so whilst they always work well enough, my projects could only be described as utilitarian in appearance. I'm working hard on changing my philosophy to produce more aesthetic builds in future!

Breadboard wasn't exactly part of the plan. Both amp & PS fitted very neatly on the two diecast boxes when using the stock caps. With two thick cables joining the chassis, the whole rig looked cool. But the robust dimensions of the Tubecaps, as well as the Hammond choke, presented a space challenge that was insurmountable with the original build. The current set up is temporary, a "proof of concept". Before committing to larger chassis, I wanted to be certain the Tubecaps were worth the effort & expense of a new layout & build. I'm now convinced they are. Compared to the electrolytics, the Tubecaps have tightened up the sound significantly, especially the bass. Before, there was an abundance of it, possibly too much. At times, I thought it may have been a little flabby. Now it is still there, perhaps not quite the with extreme extension that there was, but it is much tighter, more controlled & ultimately, less fatiguing.

However, the most striking aspect of the Bijou to me is its extraordinary ability to resolve detail. I have never, ever heard anything do this so well. Individual instruments are separated from a group or orchestra, & then what sounds like 3D space or "air" is created around them. Voices, particularly female, are projected & seem to float above the accompanying instuments. I'm hearing detail & subtle nuances in many of my most played recordings that I've never heard before. I notice yourself, regal & others have mentioned this as well in earlier posts. I suspect this is an inherent characteristic of the design, rather than solely the use of esoteric components. Good quality parts may help, but they are only part of the equation. A total absence of fatigue (& reluctance to switch it off!) even after long listening sessions is another outstanding quality of this amp.

Perhaps yourself or someone else could shed some light on a question I have regarding the output & bypass caps, C5&6. I replaced the stock items with a 200uF Tubecap & 1uF Jupiter Beeswax/Paper respectively. There was an immediate & less than subtle improvement in the soundstage & focus of instruments & voices. My rationale for the change is that 1) film caps are supposed to be better in such positions than electros, 2) Mundorf make a reasonable quality film cap, 3) earlier posts led me to believe that a value significantly lower than 470uF wouldn't necessarily compromise bass response, especially when feedback isn't used, & 4) I read some very good reviews of Jupiter caps in bypass situations. My question is, is there anything to be gained by retaining a high quality bypass cap with a good quality film output cap i.e. is it redundant? Are there contraindications for bypassing a film cap with a paper dielectric one? Would there be any danger in removing it for a trial?

Comments & opinions would be most welcome.

Thanks.
post #2347 of 3976
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Originally Posted by V-DiV View Post
Rolotube, your Bijou must sound awesome. As you say, I am finding that going from the merely functional (casing) to the esthetically pleasing may be the hardest part of the whole project.

Amphead, you're really getting into a machine shop mindset. When are you going to start taking orders for custom knobs?

Funch, YGPM.

Awesome is an accurate description. Its been a revelation compared to anything else I've heard. There have been definite improvements, sometimes not so subtle, with every change I've made. As references, I have a Lehmann Black Cube, Perreaux SXH1 & custom built bipolar Class A discrete amp, all of which have good to excellent performance with my HD650's. But the Bijou absolutely smokes them all, in every respect. Although there are many excellent solid state designs around, I now have no inclination whatsoever to move back to them. I had no idea valve (tube) amps could sound so good. Its been worth every hour (& not a few $$'s!) spent.
post #2348 of 3976
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Originally Posted by rolotube View Post
However, the most striking aspect of the Bijou to me is its extraordinary ability to resolve detail. I have never, ever heard anything do this so well. Individual instruments are separated from a group or orchestra, & then what sounds like 3D space or "air" is created around them. Voices, particularly female, are projected & seem to float above the accompanying instuments. I'm hearing detail & subtle nuances in many of my most played recordings that I've never heard before. I notice yourself, regal & others have mentioned this as well in earlier posts. I suspect this is an inherent characteristic of the design, rather than solely the use of esoteric components. Good quality parts may help, but they are only part of the equation. A total absence of fatigue (& reluctance to switch it off!) even after long listening sessions is another outstanding quality of this amp.
Sorry I can't add anything on the caps, but I am so glad to hear someone else appreciate the 'air', space and resolution this amp provides - especially balanced. Fishski had it for a while (not sure about his current status), but this is just mesmerizing for the most part - and hearing everything in the music is somewhat startling in that it is so foreign - takes a bit of getting used to. And, that is without the Regal mods, and using the cheap Russian tubes.

That all said, it is an acquired taste, that many simply do not seem to care for. I dig it, but it takes time to appreciate what it does.
post #2349 of 3976
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Originally Posted by rolotube View Post

However, the most striking aspect of the Bijou to me is its extraordinary ability to resolve detail. I have never, ever heard anything do this so well. Individual instruments are separated from a group or orchestra, & then what sounds like 3D space or "air" is created around them. Voices, particularly female, are projected & seem to float above the accompanying instuments. I'm hearing detail & subtle nuances in many of my most played recordings that I've never heard before. I notice yourself, regal & others have mentioned this as well in earlier posts. I suspect this is an inherent characteristic of the design, rather than solely the use of esoteric components. Good quality parts may help, but they are only part of the equation. A total absence of fatigue (& reluctance to switch it off!) even after long listening sessions is another outstanding quality of this amp.
Amen, brother!!
post #2350 of 3976
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Originally Posted by rolotube View Post
Thanks amphead.

Lathe looks nice. No doubt your builds will be stunning both aesthetically & aurally once you get the hang of this beast. I greatly admire the effort & imagination that has gone into many of the builds shown on both this & Headwize forums. I've always subscribed to the philosophy of "form follows function", so whilst they always work well enough, my projects could only be described as utilitarian in appearance. I'm working hard on changing my philosophy to produce more aesthetic builds in future!

Breadboard wasn't exactly part of the plan. Both amp & PS fitted very neatly on the two diecast boxes when using the stock caps. With two thick cables joining the chassis, the whole rig looked cool. But the robust dimensions of the Tubecaps, as well as the Hammond choke, presented a space challenge that was insurmountable with the original build. The current set up is temporary, a "proof of concept". Before committing to larger chassis, I wanted to be certain the Tubecaps were worth the effort & expense of a new layout & build. I'm now convinced they are. Compared to the electrolytics, the Tubecaps have tightened up the sound significantly, especially the bass. Before, there was an abundance of it, possibly too much. At times, I thought it may have been a little flabby. Now it is still there, perhaps not quite the with extreme extension that there was, but it is much tighter, more controlled & ultimately, less fatiguing.

However, the most striking aspect of the Bijou to me is its extraordinary ability to resolve detail. I have never, ever heard anything do this so well. Individual instruments are separated from a group or orchestra, & then what sounds like 3D space or "air" is created around them. Voices, particularly female, are projected & seem to float above the accompanying instuments. I'm hearing detail & subtle nuances in many of my most played recordings that I've never heard before. I notice yourself, regal & others have mentioned this as well in earlier posts. I suspect this is an inherent characteristic of the design, rather than solely the use of esoteric components. Good quality parts may help, but they are only part of the equation. A total absence of fatigue (& reluctance to switch it off!) even after long listening sessions is another outstanding quality of this amp.

Perhaps yourself or someone else could shed some light on a question I have regarding the output & bypass caps, C5&6. I replaced the stock items with a 200uF Tubecap & 1uF Jupiter Beeswax/Paper respectively. There was an immediate & less than subtle improvement in the soundstage & focus of instruments & voices. My rationale for the change is that 1) film caps are supposed to be better in such positions than electros, 2) Mundorf make a reasonable quality film cap, 3) earlier posts led me to believe that a value significantly lower than 470uF wouldn't necessarily compromise bass response, especially when feedback isn't used, & 4) I read some very good reviews of Jupiter caps in bypass situations. My question is, is there anything to be gained by retaining a high quality bypass cap with a good quality film output cap i.e. is it redundant? Are there contraindications for bypassing a film cap with a paper dielectric one? Would there be any danger in removing it for a trial?

Comments & opinions would be most welcome.

Thanks.
Thanks for the very nice comments rolotube. It was this quality that I heard right away with my prototype unit. And this amp is not as good as the ones you guys are building.

Capacitors are funny things and the way people respond to them is also very subjective. For the most part bypassing a bypass cap with a film cap shouldn't really change anything. But, I never really know how anyone will respond to these kinds of changes.
post #2351 of 3976
@ rolotube
...man I should have thought of installing terminals for c5. I've had to desolder my output caps every time I fix/modify my amp boards.
post #2352 of 3976
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post #2353 of 3976
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Originally Posted by pabbi1 View Post
Sorry I can't add anything on the caps, but I am so glad to hear someone else appreciate the 'air', space and resolution this amp provides - especially balanced. Fishski had it for a while (not sure about his current status), but this is just mesmerizing for the most part - and hearing everything in the music is somewhat startling in that it is so foreign - takes a bit of getting used to. And, that is without the Regal mods, and using the cheap Russian tubes.

That all said, it is an acquired taste, that many simply do not seem to care for. I dig it, but it takes time to appreciate what it does.
Pabbi
Your balanced Bijou must produce some extremely sweet music. I've been considering a balanced config for some time. I think it would take all components in the chain - DAC, amp & headphones - to the next & probably highest performance level. My DAC (Musical Fidelity A324) only has single ended output, so I'm confined to this for the present. Next major project is a balanced output DAC, but this won't happen for some time. In the meantime, I believe the Bijou offers much to "play" with should one get the desire to stop listening! The Hammond chassis I ordered a while ago have just arrived so I'll be busy with rebuilding for a while. If anyone is interested, I'll post photos of the new build as it progresses.

Regarding "cheap" Russian tubes, I have briefly tried some Sovtek 6N1P's (new) & am currently using EH 6H30Pi (gold pins). Both these tubes are not expensive yet, IMO, offer perfectly acceptable performance. The 6N1P is very forward & the sound is "in your face". It also has a lot more gain than the 6H30, which is laid back, almost to the point of sounding delicate with some music types & has incredible space & air around the music. I haven't properly auditioned the 6922; this is on the "to do" list. I rapt in the sound of the 6H30 & reluctant to make further changes whilst I'm rediscovering many of my favourite recordings. Also, I haven't tried the 6N6 in the output as yet. As with other mods including amphead's heater wiring & no feedback for high impedance phones, the ECC99 was strongly recommended by forum members as an alternative to the 6N6 kit tube, so this is what I started with. I'll eventually roll in all the tubes I have. It shouldn't be a problem running any combination of these as the EZ81/6CA4 & 370DAX can handle the extra current required.

Regal's mods - I'm using Vishay/Dale for R2,5,6,7 & Kiwame carbon film for R3. Sound is similar to what regal describes ie. a tighter, more forward & punchier sound. Vocals & instrumental solos are more pronounced & forward than at the stock low idle current, but I wouldn't describe the sound as "better". Its just different, & will appeal to different listeners with different music types.

The number of possible permutations & combinations of components is almost endless & each one offers the potential for a different listening experience. I really enjoy experimenting with these to find the combination(s) that hit the "sweet spot". This is the reward of high end DIY that the Bijou offers.
post #2354 of 3976
Quote:
Originally Posted by pabbi1 View Post
Sorry I can't add anything on the caps, but I am so glad to hear someone else appreciate the 'air', space and resolution this amp provides - especially balanced. Fishski had it for a while (not sure about his current status), but this is just mesmerizing for the most part - and hearing everything in the music is somewhat startling in that it is so foreign - takes a bit of getting used to. And, that is without the Regal mods, and using the cheap Russian tubes.

That all said, it is an acquired taste, that many simply do not seem to care for. I dig it, but it takes time to appreciate what it does.
Pabbi
Your balanced Bijou must produce some extremely sweet music. I've been considering a balanced config for some time. I think it would take all components in the chain - DAC, amp & headphones - to the next & probably highest performance level. My DAC (Musical Fidelity A324) only has single ended output, so I'm confined to this for the present. Next major project is a balanced output DAC, but this won't happen for some time. In the meantime, I believe the Bijou offers much to "play" with should one get the desire to stop listening! The Hammond chassis I ordered a while ago have just arrived so I'll be busy with rebuilding for a while. If anyone is interested, I'll post photos of the new build as it progresses.

Regarding "cheap" Russian tubes, I have briefly tried some Sovtek 6N1P's (new) & am currently using EH 6H30Pi (gold pins). Both these tubes are not expensive yet, IMO, offer perfectly acceptable performance. The 6N1P is very forward & the sound is "in your face". It also has a lot more gain than the 6H30, which is laid back, almost to the point of sounding delicate with some music types & has incredible space & air around the music. I haven't properly auditioned the 6922; this is on the "to do" list. I rapt in the sound of the 6H30 & reluctant to make further changes whilst I'm rediscovering many of my favourite recordings. Also, I haven't tried the 6N6 in the output as yet. As with other mods including amphead's heater wiring & no feedback for high impedance phones, the ECC99 was strongly recommended by forum members as an alternative to the 6N6 kit tube, so this is what I started with. I'll eventually roll in all the tubes I have. It shouldn't be a problem running any combination of these as the EZ81/6CA4 & 370DAX can handle the extra current required.

Regal's mods - I'm using Vishay/Dale for R2,5,6,7 & Kiwame carbon film for R3. Sound is similar to what regal describes ie. a tighter, more forward & punchier sound. Vocals & instrumental solos are more pronounced & forward than at the stock low idle current, but I wouldn't describe the sound as "better". Its just different, & will appeal to different listeners with different music types.

The number of possible permutations & combinations of components is almost endless & each one offers the potential for a different listening experience. I really enjoy experimenting with these to find the combination(s) that hit the "sweet spot". This is the reward of high end DIY that the Bijou offers.
post #2355 of 3976
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Originally Posted by runeight View Post
Thanks for the very nice comments rolotube. It was this quality that I heard right away with my prototype unit. And this amp is not as good as the ones you guys are building.

Capacitors are funny things and the way people respond to them is also very subjective. For the most part bypassing a bypass cap with a film cap shouldn't really change anything. But, I never really know how anyone will respond to these kinds of changes.
Apologies for the double post above, I'm struggling with the technology at present!

Runeight
I'd suggest that the amps some are building aren't "better" than anyone else's, just different. The success or otherwise of the end result is a matter of personal opinion & interpretation. IMO, the great strength of this project are the efforts the designers, developers & builders have gone to to communicate & share the amazing range of mods & variations they have devised & tested. This has given me the inspiration to experiment with my Bijou far more than anything else I've constructed, & I'm nowhere near done yet!

I'll try removing the bypass caps.
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