koss ksc55 vs koss ur40 vs senn497 vs philips hp890
Mar 7, 2003 at 8:34 PM Post #16 of 34
je suis de Belgique, de la partie francophone bien sur. On va se faire remettre en place par les modos si on continue nos apartés
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Ok davie, if the people of quebec speak english like you speak french, i've to withdraw everything i said above
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Mar 7, 2003 at 8:41 PM Post #17 of 34
Actually, last time I was in Montreal I got the impression theat people could speak good English, but whether they would speak it was another matter. On the other hand once they found out you were American, they'd take pity on you for you ignorance...
 
Mar 7, 2003 at 9:42 PM Post #18 of 34
Il y a une différence entre parler et écrire francais, honnêtement quelques fois j'ai du mal à comprendre un québécois parler francais
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. Par contre j'aime bien entendre Celine Dion avec son petit accent.
To answer your question, yes the best deal you can get in europe is the philips HP890. Forget about getting the koss there, the portapros cost as much as the HP890 and I am sure that I don't need to convince anyone that they are clearly not in the same league. Go to fnac.fr to have an idea of prices in france, but don't buy from them I am sure you can easily find cheaper audio stores. They sell the portapros for EUR 80 ($86) and UR40 for Eur 90 ($98). Grado is another brand that cost way too much in europe but at least here I can get my HP890 for $68
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Mar 8, 2003 at 12:50 AM Post #19 of 34
La plupart des Québécois apprennent l'anglais tandis que seule une minime
partie des anglophones (je parle des Ontariens ici) ne savent que dire 'oui' ou
'non' en français et c'est tout. C'est pourquoi certains Québécois hésitent à
parler anglais parfois.. Why would we do so much effort learning english
while english people themselves don't even make the slightest effort in
trying to learn the smallest bit of french (or whatever other language is
spoken where they live.. french here)?
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The only thing that really pisses me off is when I see an english person in a
store in Québec frustrated because staff doesn't understand/speak
english very well..
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Oh and PS: That would be my last reply in french.. unless a mod feels like
creating a seperate forums for us frenchies.. If so, I'll apply for mod
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Mar 8, 2003 at 3:27 AM Post #20 of 34
Quote:

Originally posted by JiPi
La plupart des Québécois apprennent l'anglais tandis que seule une minime
partie des anglophones (je parle des Ontariens ici) ne savent que dire 'oui' ou
'non' en français et c'est tout. C'est pourquoi certains Québécois hésitent à
parler anglais parfois.. Why would we do so much effort learning english
while english people themselves don't even make the slightest effort in
trying to learn the smallest bit of french (or whatever other language is
spoken where they live.. french here)?
confused.gif
very_evil_smiley.gif


The only thing that really pisses me off is when I see an english person in a
store in Québec frustrated because staff doesn't understand/speak
english very well..
die2.gif


Oh and PS: That would be my last reply in french.. unless a mod feels like
creating a seperate forums for us frenchies.. If so, I'll apply for mod
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We Americans have a god-given right to impose our ignorance on whoever we bloody well want!!
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(Although actually, I live in NYC and as there are over 150 languages spoken here it would be hard to choose. However, I gained most of my little French during first grade in a Parisian public school.)

But seriously, why the consensus on the 890s over the 497s? I've been very interested in the 890s but can't find anywhere that sells them that also has a return policy. If you can compare them to the 497s in some specific way that would be great. I'm also interested in how they stack up against the other mid-priced closed cans, such as the Senn 280pros and the Sony v6.

Merci.
 
Mar 8, 2003 at 7:18 AM Post #23 of 34
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Originally posted by itoine
i have an other question to help me make my choice.
is a closed headphone more "ear tiring" than an open one?
because i don't want to become deaf listening music
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No reason, in fact, since the closed ones will isolate you a bit from the outside, you'll resist more easily to the temptation to crank up the volume to go above the background.

But all these 3 cans are open.
 
Mar 8, 2003 at 7:18 AM Post #24 of 34
Not really, grados are open and they are very tiring headphones. It is true studio headphones are closed, since they are made to deliver details most of them are tiring, it doesn't mean that all closed phones are tiring.
 
Mar 8, 2003 at 7:22 AM Post #25 of 34
in fact, what do you mean by tiring ?

If it is just a question to be deaf, just keep the volume at reasonnable level.

If it is a question to be able to wear them a long time, avoid mainly too detailled, fast and bright cans
 
Mar 8, 2003 at 7:51 AM Post #26 of 34
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Originally posted by 00940
in fact, what do you mean by tiring ?

If it is just a question to be deaf, just keep the volume at reasonnable level.

If it is a question to be able to wear them a long time, avoid mainly too detailled, fast and bright cans



i think that both of these problems are linked.
if one cannot listen to a headphone a long time without tiring, then it is that that hurt.
 
Mar 8, 2003 at 3:41 PM Post #27 of 34
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Originally posted by 00940

But all these 3 cans are open.


Yikes, I'd gotten the impression tht the 890s are closed. Shucks.
 
Mar 8, 2003 at 3:59 PM Post #28 of 34
I find that open headphones are less tiring because of the open sound, it feels less closed-in.

However, I find that I can keep closed headphones at a lower volume and still enjoy them because they don't have to contend so much with background noise.


Quote:

Originally posted by itoine
i have an other question to help me make my choice.
is a closed headphone more "ear tiring" than an open one?
because i don't want to become deaf listening music
smily_headphones1.gif


 
Mar 8, 2003 at 5:34 PM Post #29 of 34
Initial impressions of the HP890s...

Nice clear midrange, ever so slightly splashy treble, and one helluva huge bass!!

These, to me sound like a slightly darker version of the Beyer DT770... but they've only got about an hour on the clock... not had chance for burn in to take place...
 
Mar 8, 2003 at 6:22 PM Post #30 of 34
I'd be interested in finding out if you hear the same thing on the 890 as I do on the 820. I'm getting the impression that extreme-left and extreme-right signals are somehow coming to my ears at a slighter higher level than the "center stage" inside my head. As if things at center stage are slightly further away from me than things at far left/far right. It certainly helps create a wider soundstage, but it's a teensy bit weird to me. Maybe it's only the 820 that does it ,and not the 890....
 
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