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post #1801 of 2870
(So many Mk III threads... sorry for the similar posts...)

I absolutely love my LD II++ and am thinking about picking up a Mk III.

However, I've read that the Mk III is more solid-state-like, and lacks some of the "liquid mids and vocal intimacy" of the II++.

Have others found this to be true? Is the Mk III drastically different than the II++ in terms of liquid mids and general tubey-ness? If so, are there certain tube rolling combos that will help make it more like the II++ in regards to these qualities?

Thanks for any input you can offer!
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post #1803 of 2870
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Originally Posted by TubeStack View Post
(So many Mk III threads... sorry for the similar posts...)

I absolutely love my LD II++ and am thinking about picking up a Mk III.

However, I've read that the Mk III is more solid-state-like, and lacks some of the "liquid mids and vocal intimacy" of the II++.

Have others found this to be true? Is the Mk III drastically different than the II++ in terms of liquid mids and general tubey-ness? If so, are there certain tube rolling combos that will help make it more like the II++ in regards to these qualities?

Thanks for any input you can offer!
I have not heard the II++ so I can't compare the two. I do have a solid state amp and a Stax amp. The MKIII definitely has a warmer sound, with lusher midrange and greater soundstage. I don't know if the MKIII is the tubiest sounding amp out there but it's definitely different than the solid state amps I have.
post #1804 of 2870
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Originally Posted by SemiAudiophile View Post
i still don't feel that my HD650's go well with this amp though. after all the tubes i tried so far, my HD650's still sounded veiled/bloated when matched with this amp. just not as detailed and clear as using a SS.
Two things:

1. Do you have the newer version of the HD650?
2. Have you broken in your headphones at least 200 hours?

I don't hear any veil at all with my HD650 and the LD MKIII. I did when I had a portable amp. I should also say that with my Squeezebox3 I have to put the gain at 3 to have the volume knob at 11 o'clock. It puts out 2v.
post #1805 of 2870
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Originally Posted by Max F View Post
Two things:

1. Do you have the newer version of the HD650?
2. Have you broken in your headphones at least 200 hours?

I don't hear any veil at all with my HD650 and the LD MKIII. I did when I had a portable amp. I should also say that with my Squeezebox3 I have to put the gain at 3 to have the volume knob at 11 o'clock. It puts out 2v.
1. mines are older version HD650.
2. yes they are broken in and well over the 200 hour mark.

i'm using lowest gain setting with my Grado's (which is usually plenty loud enough). with my Senns i use highest gain setting and it is still veiled.
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Well, maybe there is something with the whole new vs old HD650s.
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Originally Posted by Max F View Post
Well, maybe there is something with the whole new vs old HD650s.
that's what i was thinking...but not everyone has the newer HD650's though. strange that i'm the only one that finds them to not be a good match. something wrong with my amp?
post #1808 of 2870
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Originally Posted by SemiAudiophile View Post
1. mines are older version HD650.
2. yes they are broken in and well over the 200 hour mark.

i'm using lowest gain setting with my Grado's (which is usually plenty loud enough). with my Senns i use highest gain setting and it is still veiled.
I think i have the old version and mine doesn't sound veiled anymore with the new WE403b tubes I got. I also changed my gain setting to "7" (whatever level is under the "10") and it sounds very good.
post #1809 of 2870
Also, i think if you listen to Grados a great deal then that will likely make you think that the Senns are veiled.

Sort of like being outside in the sun and coming inside - everything looks dark for a few minutes. You need for your ears and brain to adjust to the sound.
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Originally Posted by Max F View Post
Also, i think if you listen to Grados a great deal then that will likely make you think that the Senns are veiled.
i don't think it's that. i mean when i pair the two together it's almost unbearable. i have to try really hard to hear for the details and adjust to the sound, but it's clearly not the right sound.

i'm debating whether i should sell off my old 650s and get a newer pair. but i like the dark/mellow sound of them though, that's what kind of drew me to them...i'm not sure if i'd like the new one if it's snappier, but the veil on the old one sure is annoying as hell.

edit: just took off the pads and saw that mines are the "newer" ones with the metallic screening. soo weird...
LL
post #1811 of 2870
I would sell the amp and get the HD600s.
post #1812 of 2870
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Originally Posted by erikzen View Post
I have not heard the II++ so I can't compare the two. I do have a solid state amp and a Stax amp. The MKIII definitely has a warmer sound, with lusher midrange and greater soundstage. I don't know if the MKIII is the tubiest sounding amp out there but it's definitely different than the solid state amps I have.
Cool, thanks for the input.

I've got a Mk III on its way in the mail, now.
post #1813 of 2870
I got myself some Mullard EF92 (M8083) tubes the other day for my MK III when it arrives. They're both properly matched, NOS and the military version. Cost just over £10, pretty good I think.

Does anyone use the upgraded jumpers? Worth getting?
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Whoops.. Double post.
post #1815 of 2870
If your little dot is new you won't need jumpers at all. Last summer, around June/July they started using DIP switches instead of jumpers.
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