rolled some fuses - this is what I heard - Page 7  

That applies both ways, don't you think? Where is the scientifically valid objective data or evidence based on any test from the other field? What is proved nobody questions that...

Absolutely.

And that is precisely why I could never conclude that "Fuses make no difference" or "fuses make a difference".

It is also why I could conclude that "fuses make a subjectively noticeable difference to me in my rig".

One of these conclusions requires me to actually listen to something...

Did I say that? No, I did not. If you are going to mock me, at least get your facts straight. Does anyone see that I wrote that?

Just a suggestion: Read first with a non-biased mind and then insert your foot into your mouth whilst typing.

Last I checked, there was no signal going through power, so how can you degrade that? What exactly are you degrading? It is either on or off (blown) with fuses, they are designed not to resist for the rated power, because if they do, they overheat and blow!

This is what you said.

I am not mocking you. I am quoting exactly what you said. Highend medical equipment uses high end ceramic fuse because of signal interference? You have years of training at Abbott Lab.

So your statement means Abbott lab use high end ??? fuse. If that's not what you mean, then you are saying if ceramic fuse is good enough for medical equipment then it's good enough for audio.

I never try to be offensive. I just want to know.

I am in telecom equipment. Power and ground noise are always problem especially in fiber optic pre and post amp. There are solutions, but solution is never fuse or power cord. Naturally I am curious.

I appologize if you are offended.

colonelkernel8, when people in a forum start a post by saying things like "last I checked", or "Erm", or "that's interesting because...", or "Here is some plain old horse sense", then a conversation where people have varying amounts of belief or disbelief on a subject, no longer becomes a logical debate on a given subject and becomes a pissing contest that takes a perfectly good topic and "degrades" it's signal path.

I have noticed that this has become more common with people who have joined Head-fi in the last couple of years and seem to interject controversy for the sheer enjoyment of it wherever they go, rather than be a productive part of the debate. I also notice that is comes from younger people who enjoy this type of banter on other sites.
This is a new era for Head-Fi and I'm not sure it's one that the tenured people enjoy, which has made them stop posting valuable info to share with the community.
Wheever some makes one of these statements, I check their posting history and see a pattern that is consistent to this.

Back to the topic. Why do you say there is no signal going through power when there is an AC signal that is a sine wave which is consistancy dependent to give a good signal to everything that follows. Isn't that why we have RFI filters in the input of amps and why power conditioning is an important part of "garbage in...garbage out"?

We are not talking about $200 Sony A/V recievers with 7 channels of 100 w.p.c and every DSP function known to man for the same price as a good Teflon cap. AC fluctuation, or the lack of, is the foundation of any good power supply which is protected by a fuse.
I will re-iterate that I stated, I don't believe that a fuse can make a component sound better, but lack of a clean connector and wire and a case that allows RFI or EMI to alter the flow of electricity can degade the stability and sound, just like lack of vibration control can.

When I used Abbott Labs life saving medical equipment as an example, I never said it was audiophile fuses used, I said they are going to use the best fuses possible so there calibrated equipment stays consistent.

We are all adults here (at least most of us), and a healthy debate can be had without cynicism and attack, myself included.

I am not offended and perhaps I reacted aggressively, but I did not say they used High End Audiophile fuses. I was just using the anaolgy that most military and medical equipment use fuses and Caps and resistors that are higher quality because it is more important regarding safety and consistency than our $89 pcdp's.
Of course a 20 amp fuse should blow if it senses a short or power surge regardless of price structuring. But just like a IC or PC, if an impure wire is used then there are obstacles that inhibit the flow of electrons from getting where they should go, when they should go.
Purity and good conductors are key to passing on the wave without obstruction. Isolation (using ceramic instead of glass) is vital in a component that can generate a lot of noise that messes with the signal. It can't make it better, it is not a power regenerator, it can only preserve what should be there in the first place.

This makes sense. People can try a simple test. Use your cell phone and place it near a wire or an equipment. If the wire or equipment is poorly shielded, you'll hear a morse code like noise. Examples are my phone at work, poorly shielded throw away speaker and alarm clock radio.

Most decently made equipment will not have these problem. What we found in most equipment (non-audio) is the pollution of the power supply came mostly from inside the chasis. But I am straying from the subject.

Fuse is for protection. There should be no impact whatsoever if it's located outside the power supply. Power supply should clean up whatever noise in the power feed. However, there are other protection within the amplifier (non-headphone). Current limiting and thermal protection. These are done with transistor stealing the bias current. A tweaking of the heatsink/fan will be more effective for improved performance.

You'd be hard pressed to find a fuse or a cable that has enough impurities to affect the sound. The regular old fuses and cables at Radio Shack perform just as well as audiophile cables and fuses. Why pay more?

See ya
Steve

Again, see... Logical Fallacy: Proving a Negative

If I say that I have never run across a fuse that affected the sound, and that I know of no audio engineers who use audiophile fuses, does that answer your question?

See ya
Steve

I like how the parenthetical comment disagrees with the main thrust of your sentence!

See ya
Steve

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with this, but here is the article that I refered to that was published in Stereophile's September Issue.

Again, for those who wish to wrongfully paraphrase me, I do not agree nor disagree with this until I hear it for myself:

Stereophile: HIFI-Tuning Fuses

I now see where you got your username from

Steve,

Wikipedia. Is that where you learn all this science stuff?

Two questions:

Do you have data which can prove that fuses do not alter an audio signal?

Do you have any subjective opinions based on actual experience listening to any gear using "audiophile" fuses?

If you don't have any scientifically valid and objective data that may suggest that fuses have absolutely no affect on an audio signal, then you, sir, have little business spouting your tired banter based on some misguided, misinformed, and closed-minded understanding of science, physics, and the natural phenomena surrounding and including us. You certainly sound like a "salesman" to me.

You are selling closed-mindedness and prejudice.

You have nothing to bring to this discussion.

If you feel that you are "enlightening" young and inexperienced listeners as to the "Truth" of audio reproduction, you're methodologies are flawed... not to mention the Quixotic nature of any "Truth-seeking" in audio. Your pedagogy to "take my word for it, cause I know audio engineers" does little to reinforce inquisitive nature, or scientific method itself. If you feel that you are a savior for us idiots that choose to actually listen to audio gear, I'm sorry, but we don't need your help.

You're right. No one needs my help to be an idiot. It's not the idiots that my comments are meant to benefit.

I already answered your questions, but here's a simple test for you. Try bypassing the fuses completely and see if the sound is different.

See ya
Steve