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post #1576 of 1610
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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post

@cb3723
 Glad you're enjoying the Q40's.

These are definitely keepers. Without a doubt one of the most fun sounding headphones in my collection, if not the most. IMO what really sets it apart other basshead cans is their overall tone. The timbre is good, the whole sound feels thick, heavy, and has a lot of authority. They have the most "body" out of all my cans. 

Oregonian is right though, these aren't made to flutter paper biggrin.gif . If you don't mind me asking, why do you test them like that? Don't you care about damaging the drivers? 

Well, Oregonian's post to me as a new owner of the Q40 wasn't exactly "welcoming" but to answer your query of the bass/paper test.

The test is HBB's genius if you will - the premise - very simple - the test is a visual on SPL a bass moving air and the impact hitting paper gives you the idea of how hard it hits the ear/side of your face when playing deep sub bass genres popular amongst bassheads like the test track used mostly to current date - Wiz Khalifa's - "On my level", but the other aspect is simply - fun.

As for damaging drivers - 99% of bass/tests recorded and uploaded to YouTube are done with the drivers on the point of distortion but could be pushed much further (not recommended to anyone whom wishes to participate in providing a bass/test video - ruining good headphones is not the aim here at all), though there has been a few videos where drivers have been pushed a tad further than perhaps they should have been, myself being guilty of such on my v-moda m-100 video, though no damage whatsoever to any do my cans to date.

And the bass/paper tests do serve to a certain level a good purpose of dispelling many myths made about certain cans that have been touted way above what they are - called "cannons" or "face melters" - the test can lay such bravado claims up to light and suggest whether over enthusiastic claims are at play where an owner may have too much emotional investment in their headphones that colour their impressions regarding bass slam or otherwise.

The new test tracks are bass specific and more like the types used at car audio events - so in a way you could think of this as the headphone equivalent, and again it's as an informative visual on bass air transfer as it is fun.

The Q40 performed well under the bass/paper test, better than Sennheiser's new HD8 DJ, which did surprise me - which highlights the relevance of such tests - individual opinions put down in words can vary wildly from one to another - the bass paper test shows a cans slam for your eyes to see - what can't speak can't lie.

There will always be naysayers to anything that's new or contradicts longstanding claims - that's inevitable, but test purpose is not to upset anyone, it's just to offer a visual aid, and there has been a few members who have made an informed choice on what bass headphones to go for based solely on the various bass test videos and asking advice, which they have then posted back that they are very happy with their choice - so that's got to be a win smily_headphones1.gif

I have to disagree with your comment you agree with that Oregonian is right that the Q40's aren't made to "flutter paper" - the bass/paper test proves otherwise - trust your ears and your eyes, otherwise (with respect) you're fooling nobody but yourselves (no offence intended, I make this comment with tongue in cheek) wink.gifbiggrin.gif

The bass/paper test videos do take a bit of time and effort to produce and it's great to get feedback from members whom feel this has been of assist to them or they just got a kick out of watching them and it's open for all to participate in, comment and enjoy, including Q40 fans and appreciators.
Edited by cb3723 - 7/14/14 at 11:33pm
post #1577 of 1610
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Originally Posted by cb3723 View Post

Well, Oregonian's post to me as a new owner of the Q40 wasn't exactly "welcoming" but to answer your query of the bass/paper test.

The test is HBB's genius if you will - the premise - very simple - the test is a visual on SPL a bass moving air and the impact hitting paper gives you the idea of how hard it hits the ear/side of your face when playing deep sub bass genres popular amongst bassheads like the test track used mostly to current date - Wiz Khalifa's - "On my level", but the other aspect is simply - fun.

As for damaging drivers - 99% of bass/tests recorded and uploaded to YouTube are done with the drivers on the point of distortion but could be pushed much further (not recommended to anyone whom wishes to participate in providing a bass/test video - ruining good headphones is not the aim here at all), though there has been a few videos where drivers have been pushed a tad further than perhaps they should have been, myself being guilty of such on my v-moda m-100 video, though no damage whatsoever to any do my cans to date.

And the bass/paper tests do serve to a certain level a good purpose of dispelling many myths made about certain cans that have been touted way above what they are - called "cannons" or "face melters" - the test can lay such bravado claims up to light and suggest whether over enthusiastic claims are at play where an owner may have too much emotional investment in their headphones that colour their impressions regarding bass slam or otherwise.

The new test tracks are bass specific and more like the types used at car audio events - so in a way you could think of this as the headphone equivalent, and again it's as an informative visual on bass air transfer as it is fun.

The Q40 performed well under the bass/paper test, better than Sennheiser's new HD8 DJ, which did surprise me - which highlights the relevance of such tests - individual opinions put down in words can vary wildly from one to another - the bass paper test shows a cans slam for your eyes to see - what can't speak can't lie.

There will always be naysayers to anything that's new or contradicts longstanding claims - that's inevitable, but test purpose is not to upset anyone, it's just to offer a visual aid, and there has been a few members who have made an informed choice on what bass headphones to go for based solely on the various bass test videos and asking advice, which they have then posted back that they are very happy with their choice - so that's got to be a win smily_headphones1.gif

I have to disagree with your comment you agree with that Oregonian is right that the Q40's aren't made to "flutter paper" - the bass/paper test proves otherwise - trust your ears and your eyes, otherwise (with respect) you're fooling nobody but yourselves (no offence intended, I make this comment with tongue in cheek) wink.gifbiggrin.gif

The bass/paper test videos do take a bit of time and effort to produce and it's great to get feedback from members whom feel this has been of assist to them or they just got a kick out of watching them and it's open for all to participate in, comment and enjoy, including Q40 fans and appreciators.

Ah, i see. Well if that's your way of testing the bass of a headphone then by all means go ahead, I have nothing against it. However those tests aren't exactly accurate because nobody listens to a headphone at such high volumes. Personally how I test the bass of a headphone is go to an online tone generator, play some very low notes and see if it's audible or if the headphone can handle it.

Besides I would never try to do that to my precious Q40's biggrin.gif
post #1578 of 1610
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Originally Posted by xkonfuzed View Post

Ah, i see. Well if that's your way of testing the bass of a headphone then by all means go ahead, I have nothing against it. However those tests aren't exactly accurate because nobody listens to a headphone at such high volumes. Personally how I test the bass of a headphone is go to an online tone generator, play some very low notes and see if it's audible or if the headphone can handle it.

Besides I would never try to do that to my precious Q40's biggrin.gif

I can assure you - no headphones were harmed in the making of the bass/paper test videos biggrin.gif

Here's some more info that may/may not be of interest to you regarding these tests:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/716711/the-best-bass-headphones-are-the-extreme-bass-club/1230#post_10713665
post #1579 of 1610

Just got the thicker HM5 pads for my Q40s. Oh my lord they're so much better than the Shure pads just from a comfort point of view. I have huge ears so they're perfect for me.

post #1580 of 1610
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Originally Posted by Mackem View Post

Just got the thicker HM5 pads for my Q40s. Oh my lord they're so much better than the Shure pads just from a comfort point of view. I have huge ears so they're perfect for me.

I have the HM5 pads as well. How did you out them on? Ive found I needed to stretch them all the way over the driver piece, but Im not sure if that is the correct way of going about it.
post #1581 of 1610
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Originally Posted by Liu Junyuan View Post


I have the HM5 pads as well. How did you out them on? Ive found I needed to stretch them all the way over the driver piece, but Im not sure if that is the correct way of going about it.

Yeah that's what I did. I didn't put the edges in the little nook if that makes sense? (Like the way the stock pads are)

post #1582 of 1610

Yep, they barely stretched over the outer diameter.  I was afraid I tore it but it survived without a split. 

 

These are the best pads I've put on my Q40 (about a dozen other ones were tried). 

post #1583 of 1610
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post
 

Yep, they barely stretched over the outer diameter.  I was afraid I tore it but it survived without a split. 

 

These are the best pads I've put on my Q40 (about a dozen other ones were tried). 

Sounds promising, I got my pair of the new HM5 pads today. Will try them as soon as I find the time.

post #1584 of 1610
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Originally Posted by Mackem View Post

Yeah that's what I did. I didn't put the edges in the little nook if that makes sense? (Like the way the stock pads are)

Oh ok. Thats what I did too. The only thing that sort of bothers me is that the right pad smooshea in a bit, apparent when I look in the mirror. Im almost positive that will affect the sound. I still prefer the beyers but need to give the HM5s some more time.
post #1585 of 1610
Just a quick question:
Do you guys use the pleather or velour hm5 pads?
post #1586 of 1610

Leather all the way.  Velour kills the bass.

post #1587 of 1610
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post
 

Leather all the way.  Velour kills the bass.

I understand. I've also played with a lot of pads and ended up liking the HifiMan velours the best. I guess I'll have to try both the new HM5 pads since I've got them :beerchug:

post #1588 of 1610

My HM5 pads arrived last week and I was able to try them this morning. Putting them on was a little tricky and patience definitely is the key. I held the cup in my palm as I slide in the edge of the pad to the groove. I stretched a small section of the pad and the edge finds its way in the groove. I held the installed sections securely with my fingers and palm so that those parts don't slide out. 

 

As a result, I can definitely say that the comfort and isolation is much better than the original pads. I need to do some more listening in order to comment about the sound improvements. I could post some pictures but it looks like I'm not allowed to do so yet. It took less then a week from order to show up at my door in NC. Thanks to everyone who recommended these and I most definitely recommend them as well.

post #1589 of 1610
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Originally Posted by tukenmezkalem View Post

My HM5 pads arrived last week and I was able to try them this morning. Putting them on was a little tricky and patience definitely is the key. I held the cup in my palm as I slide in the edge of the pad to the groove. I stretched a small section of the pad and the edge finds its way in the groove. I held the installed sections securely with my fingers and palm so that those parts don't slide out. 

As a result, I can definitely say that the comfort and isolation is much better than the original pads. I need to do some more listening in order to comment about the sound improvements. I could post some pictures but it looks like I'm not allowed to do so yet. It took less then a week from order to show up at my door in NC. Thanks to everyone who recommended these and I most definitely recommend them as well.

I am glad to hear you are enjoying the new pads. I have been shifting between pads but am still very much enjoying these overlooked cans.
post #1590 of 1610

How hard is it to get the HM5 pads to fit ? I really want to buy a pair but im worried it wont fit properly..

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