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post #1306 of 1638
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Originally Posted by dailysmoker View Post
 

Then you are out of your mind dude the ws55 is even better in fun factor then the q40 and that says  a lot but we are all different :)

 

There are some people even prefering Q40 over M100... just saying... :)

post #1307 of 1638
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

 

There are some people even prefering Q40 over M100... just saying... :)

I'm one of those people. I had the M100 for a few days and the comfort was just as bad as the Crossfade LP so I returned them. I was planning on buying them again after they released the XL pads, but I picked up the Q40 after I returned the M100 and now I see no point in paying $300 for the M100. Than when I heard the Yamaha PRO 500 and bought the PRO 400 my lust for the M100 was no more.

post #1308 of 1638

I really love the Q40's but i am more of a subbass guy and that stands out way more then the Q40's....those have more mid and sub together and then you do not hear that nice sound the ws55 brings to me,best ever....and the sq is really good also so don't get that...? the Q40 is not better in sq to me a bit even....


Edited by dailysmoker - 11/2/13 at 8:12pm
post #1309 of 1638
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

 

There are some people even prefering Q40 over M100... just saying... :)

Q40>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>M100

 

Did I use enough greater-than signs? :cool:

post #1310 of 1638

If we put it THIS way then, which headphone can be considered an upgrade to Q40 but has similar sound signature? Because I've been struggling to even find a replacement. At this point I'm starting to think maybe only Ultrasone Signature DJs perhaps but it's a bit on the expensier side and even those according to measurements doesn't seem to have the ideal mids vs highs balance.

WS99 - Too weak bass in comparison it seems

M100 - Not equally forward in-your-face mids (not equally well balanced mids/highs range)
B&W P7 - Probably a bit too weak bass for my needs

D600 - Not balanced enough in the mids/highs

...

???

I mean the Q40 happen to tick a lot of boxes that are appealing to my subjective taste of how I want it to sound like (that has come forth through testing various headphones and being able to compare what I like and do not like). The things that I like with Q40 that are important for my taste:

- Both has large bass quantity and quality. I personally seem to want aprox 8-9dB bass boost which Q40 has but it's also of very good quality, punchy, quite textured, impactful, mediocre snappy (I don't like slow bass output, but shouldn't be ultra snappy either, Q40 is quite suitable). 

 

- I want a balanced subbass vs midbass presence. I consider the limit between these going roughly at 80Hz and Q40 happens to peak exactly at 80Hz, which is also what I personally want in order to get roughly equally much below 80Hz as above 80Hz (assuming it doesn't quickly roll-off below 80Hz and has slow roll-off above 80Hz for example but has a pretty well-rounded fading like a circle, on both sides).   

 

- The mids and highs range should be as balanced as possible. The Q40 does unusually great for a basshead headphone with this kind of quantity, the mids aren't recessed if you compare versus the highs, both the highs and mids can be seen as recessed versus the bass but since the mids and highs balance is so good, it doesn't come off as recessed. Vocals still sound very up-front and in-your-face which I like (at least with stock pads).

 

- I like this more "forward" / in-your-face presentation. Some headphones sounds like having a distance to the music, like the center of the music is coming from a distance like you'd be sitting in the back rows in a concert. I personally despise such sound because it leaves me unengaged and bored. The music doesn't engage me, I want to feel like I'm standing on the stage and music surrounding me! :)

 

An Q40 with airier highs (the Q40 sounds somewhat boxed in due to the quick roll-off above 14kHz or so) and a bit larger soundstage (especially width), which became very noticeable when testing Denon HP700 for gaming and it would be my perfect headphone.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 11/3/13 at 3:01am
post #1311 of 1638
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

If we put it THIS way then, which headphone can be considered an upgrade to Q40 but has similar sound signature? Because I've been struggling to even find a replacement. At this point I'm starting to think maybe only Ultrasone Signature DJs perhaps but it's a bit on the expensier side and even those according to measurements doesn't seem to have the ideal mids vs highs balance.

WS99 - Too weak bass in comparison it seems

M100 - Not equally forward in-your-face mids (not equally well balanced mids/highs range)
B&W P7 - Probably a bit too weak bass for my needs

D600 - Not balanced enough in the mids/highs

...

???

I mean the Q40 happen to tick a lot of boxes that are appealing to my subjective taste of how I want it to sound like (that has come forth through testing various headphones and being able to compare what I like and do not like). The things that I like with Q40 that are important for my taste:

- Both has large bass quantity and quality. I personally seem to want aprox 8-9dB bass boost which Q40 has but it's also of very good quality, punchy, quite textured, impactful, mediocre snappy (I don't like slow bass output, but shouldn't be ultra snappy either, Q40 is quite suitable). 

 

- I want a balanced subbass vs midbass presence. I consider the limit between these going roughly at 80Hz and Q40 happens to peak exactly at 80Hz, which is also what I personally want in order to get roughly equally much below 80Hz as above 80Hz (assuming it doesn't quickly roll-off below 80Hz and has slow roll-off above 80Hz for example but has a pretty well-rounded fading like a circle, on both sides).   

 

- The mids and highs range should be as balanced as possible. The Q40 does unusually great for a basshead headphone with this kind of quantity, the mids aren't recessed if you compare versus the highs, both the highs and mids can be seen as recessed versus the bass but since the mids and highs balance is so good, it doesn't come off as recessed. Vocals still sound very up-front and in-your-face which I like (at least with stock pads).

 

- I like this more "forward" / in-your-face presentation. Some headphones sounds like having a distance to the music, like the center of the music is coming from a distance like you'd be sitting in the back rows in a concert. I personally despise such sound because it leaves me unengaged and bored. The music doesn't engage me, I want to feel like I'm standing on the stage and music surrounding me! :)

 

An Q40 with airier highs (the Q40 sounds somewhat boxed in due to the quick roll-off above 14kHz or so) and a bit larger soundstage (especially width), which became very noticeable when testing Denon HP700 for gaming and it would be my perfect headphone.

Man... how does the Q40 compare to a D2 or D5k 

post #1312 of 1638
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Man... how does the Q40 compare to a D2 or D5k 

As much as I love the Q40, the Denons are just a notch or two higher on my "reach for" list, with better overall sound.

All three old model Denons I have are now wood cupped and the bass just is perfect to my ears.
post #1313 of 1638
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post


As much as I love the Q40, the Denons are just a notch or two higher on my "reach for" list, with better overall sound.

All three old model Denons I have are now wood cupped and the bass just is perfect to my ears.

I'm trying desperatly to get a pair... I kinda am happy to get the HE 400 but WISH I'd gotten a D5k honestly... I need a closed bass head can... and as much as I enjoy open bass I don't really listen to EDM at home, and when I need to and want to enjoy my BASS CRAVE is in a noisy setting so... LET'S HOPE I can trade off my he 400 for  d5k... I acutally found a guy MAYBE selling one, and he wants an HE 400! Thankfully I've got a lot of upgrades to my he 400 so it might go through! 

post #1314 of 1638
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

I'm trying desperatly to get a pair... I kinda am happy to get the HE 400 but WISH I'd gotten a D5k honestly... I need a closed bass head can... and as much as I enjoy open bass I don't really listen to EDM at home, and when I need to and want to enjoy my BASS CRAVE is in a noisy setting so... LET'S HOPE I can trade off my he 400 for  d5k... I acutally found a guy MAYBE selling one, and he wants an HE 400! Thankfully I've got a lot of upgrades to my he 400 so it might go through! 

Good luck, hope it works out for you. I think you'll love the D5K........most do. biggrin.gif
post #1315 of 1638
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post


Good luck, hope it works out for you. I think you'll love the D5K........most do. biggrin.gif

Yea I bet 

 

and I'd like one too 

post #1316 of 1638

Yeah wanted the D2000 or 5000 too but the price is way too high for them.......

post #1317 of 1638
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Originally Posted by dailysmoker View Post
 

Yeah wanted the D2000 or 5000 too but the price is way too high for them.......

300 and 500 respecticly isn't to bad... meh kinda 

post #1318 of 1638
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
 

If we put it THIS way then, which headphone can be considered an upgrade to Q40 but has similar sound signature? Because I've been struggling to even find a replacement. At this point I'm starting to think maybe only Ultrasone Signature DJs perhaps but it's a bit on the expensier side and even those according to measurements doesn't seem to have the ideal mids vs highs balance.

Fidelio X1. I found them to have a veeery similar signature. The X1 is obviously open though, so I'm not sure that would work for your studio environment.

post #1319 of 1638
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

Fidelio X1. I found them to have a veeery similar signature. The X1 is obviously open though, so I'm not sure that would work for your studio environment.

 

Got a somewhat noisy computer so need to block some of the computer fan noise with closed headphones and when some1 else needs to watch TV in my room I still need to be able to listen without getting disturbed. Tyll also recommended me X1 once. :P Let's see how the new Philips L2 turns out though. :)


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 11/3/13 at 9:53am
post #1320 of 1638

I have the Fidelio X1 also and it's very good,open but still a basshead can and i got the Q40 also and that has a lot more bass....and still prefer the sound of my ws55 tho....


Edited by dailysmoker - 11/3/13 at 7:07pm
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