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Marantz CD-6002 Vs CD-5001

post #1 of 26
12/13/07 at 1:33pm
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They're both in the budger range with the 6002 priced a bit higher but is there really any audiable difference between these two Marantz CDPs? Reason I ask is beacause I'm not 100% happy with the 5001 and might upgrade for the sake of some extra $$$s
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post #2 of 26
12/13/07 at 1:42pm
If you're going to upgrade, you might as well go a little higher otherwise you could be disappointed by what could be a very subtle difference.
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post #3 of 26
12/13/07 at 2:07pm
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If you're going to upgrade, you might as well go a little higher otherwise you could be disappointed by what could be a very subtle difference.
You could be right but apparently Marantz have done a "root and branch" review of the CD-5001 and CD-5001OSE and have come up with the CD-6002. Heres what they say on their site and I have no reason to doubt them:

"CD6002 CD player is the latest new CD player from the Marantz audio product development department. With technologies derived from the highly acclaimed OSE CD player Special series. Sound quality has dramatically improved after a critically look at the circuit concept and to all components, after which it is possible to determine where customization is needed. At the end of this detailed process the power supply lines are enforced and the audio circuitry is tremendously tweaked up. Every change will be proved by a listening session. This custom treatment gives a much more consistent response in entire frequency range. Musical reproduction is characterized by improved transparency and image, as well as tonal accuracy."

NEW SPECS
• Compatible with CD DA and CR-R/CD-RW discs
• Playback of mp3 and WMA files
• CD-Text on front display
• High quality DA conversion with CS4398
• Audio circuitry with Marantz HDAMs
• Customized audio components for best balanced audio
• Oversized transformer for stable power supply
• Display off function to minimize high frequency noise interference
• Gold plated stereo audio out
• Coaxial digital and Optical digital out
• Dedicated remote and Marantz D-bus
• Solid metal front and rigid chassis construction
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post #4 of 26
12/13/07 at 2:27pm
Interesting....can you provide a link?
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post #5 of 26
12/13/07 at 2:38pm
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Interesting....can you provide a link?
No problem: BTW I'm in Ireland hence the use of the Marantz Europe site.


Marantz Europe
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post #6 of 26
12/13/07 at 2:57pm
Thanks. Seems we don't get the 6002 or 7001 here. But I think the 8001 and "7001 KI" might be one and the same (?).
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post #7 of 26
12/13/07 at 3:04pm
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Thanks. Seems we don't get the 6002 or 7001 here. But I think the 8001 and "7001 KI" might be one and the same (?).
Quite possibly but I'm not sure why Marantz have not introduced the CD-6002 to the US market. I haven't seen the 8001 but a short-haul flight from here to the US and the fact that the Euro is worth a lot of $s might encourage to take the plane.

Are you happy with you CD-5001 and what do you compare it to in benchmarking/tests?
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post #8 of 26
12/13/07 at 3:09pm
That CD6002 looks interesting indeed. I'm also not that happy with the 5001. Is the CD4398 DAC supposed to be a lot better than the CD4392?

Btw, I had a chance to listen to the SA-7 recently, that was the best digital sound I've ever heard, at least on SACD. Regular CD was pretty good too. HDAM is supposed to add "weight" to the sound.
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post #9 of 26
12/13/07 at 3:15pm
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Are you happy with you CD-5001 and what do you compare it to in benchmarking/tests?
You'll have to promise not to laugh....I've invested in analog about 200:1 ratio the last 10 yrs or so. CD is still not my thing, but I'm trying.

My cdp references lately have been: Pioneer PDR-509, which was a cd recorder made between '99 and '02 or so. Nice made in Japan unit. The other is a Sony Playstation 1 that I picked up for 10 bucks. BOTH sound better to my ears than the 5001. The 5001 is a nice player but something isn't right in the midrange...it makes strings sound metallic, and un-natural. So far anyway. I only have about 80 hours on mine.
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post #10 of 26
12/13/07 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by Sarchi View Post
That CD6002 looks interesting indeed. I'm also not that happy with the 5001. Is the CD4398 DAC supposed to be a lot better than the CD4392?

Btw, I had a chance to listen to the SA-7 recently, that was the best digital sound I've ever heard, at least on SACD. Regular CD was pretty good too. HDAM is supposed to add "weight" to the sound.
Yes from what I've read (but not heard) the *98 is a noticable improvement over the *92.

It seems that Marantz have customized their own player...which is interesting prospect. I see the Euro is worth $1.50CA so might head there instead.
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post #11 of 26
12/13/07 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by Sarchi View Post
You'll have to promise not to laugh....I've invested in analog about 200:1 ratio the last 10 yrs or so. CD is still not my thing, but I'm trying.

My cdp references lately have been: Pioneer PDR-509, which was a cd recorder made between '99 and '02 or so. Nice made in Japan unit. The other is a Sony Playstation 1 that I picked up for 10 bucks. BOTH sound better to my ears than the 5001. The 5001 is a nice player but something isn't right in the midrange...it makes strings sound metallic, and un-natural. So far anyway. I only have about 80 hours on mine.
I certainly wont laugh but I suppose just like vinyl can sound poor with a poor turntable/pickup and great on the right turntable its likewise for CDs. Of course the dynamic range of CDs is so much more that getting a good player to make it sound right with every CD is a challenge. Like your experience with the Pioneer and the PS1 I recently found a new cheap Philips DVD player (DVP5160) to be better acoustically, sonically and tonally than the marantz CD-5001.
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post #12 of 26
12/15/07 at 1:36am
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Yes from what I've read (but not heard) the *98 is a noticable improvement over the *92.

It seems that Marantz have customized their own player...which is interesting prospect. I see the Euro is worth $1.50CA so might head there instead.
Keep in mind that the 6002, 7001 and many other Marantz models aren't available at all in North America.
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post #13 of 26
12/15/07 at 1:04pm
I am not sure I would base a decision on the difference between the CS4392 and the CS4398. True some of the specs for the 98 are superior to the 92 but they are are differences that only measuring kit will be able to detect, any SNR of 100db plus means that in noise terms the thing is *silent* to human ears unless you are playing music at bomb blast levels, the 92 boasts 114db, i.e 18db better than the CD standard, i.e you will hear CD noise before you hear noise from the chip. The FR for the two chips is identical, i.e +/- 0.01db from 10hz to 20K i.e as flat as you will ever find. Just my 2 new penies.
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post #14 of 26
12/15/07 at 1:09pm
Well....I may be treading on very subjective ground, but I think many here will agree that different DAC chips will impart their own sonic signature on the music, for good or bad. Some seem to add warmth, some are very analytical sounding, etc.

I agree with you that there isn't much to tell them apart by the specs - even cheaper DAC's measure very well.
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post #15 of 26
12/15/07 at 1:19pm
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Well....I may be treading on very subjective ground, but I think many here will agree that different DAC chips will impart their own sonic signature on the music, for good or bad. Some seem to add warmth, some are very analytical sounding, etc.

I agree with you that there isn't much to tell them apart by the specs - even cheaper DAC's measure very well.
I can understand the post DA stage adding substantial changes, that makes sense but I dont quite see how two chips that measure so similarly, have such similar topology and are electrically the same could be so different. The waveforms recovered by the two chips would be indistinguishable.
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