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post #16 of 46
12/13/07 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by infinitesymphony View Post
At least give it a chance... If it's beaten by a $40 DVD player, that's a bad sign.
Thats what I mean. But is there such a thing as "burning-in" the Marantz for the audio to settle...the Philips had no problem, it was sounding great right off the bat! It's not am impedance issue I dont think as output level from both are very similar.
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post #17 of 46
12/13/07 at 12:58pm
Maybe, but it might just be that you prefer the sound signature of the Philips in your setup. It is strange, though... Check out the internals of the similar DVP5900 model:

DVP5900 Picture 1 - overall
DVP5900 Picture 2 - main board

Not too much happening there; it looks sparse! I imagine that the components in the CD5001 are significantly better. Then again, the DAC choice might make all the difference.
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post #18 of 46
12/13/07 at 1:08pm
Yes it could be the DAC alright. I'm feeding both into a Behringer mixer MIXERS / POWERED MIXERS - UB SERIES MIXERS - EURORACK UB1832FX-PRO : Ultra Low-Noise Design 18-Input 3/2-Bus Mic/Line Mixer with Premium IMPÂ*Mic Preamplifiers and 24-Bit Multi-FX Processor in a home hi-fi/studio combo but as I said the 50 euro Philips sounds better.
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post #19 of 46
12/13/07 at 1:10pm
Idk, I've never experienced any of these complaints with my cd5001, but then again I've always used it as a transport.
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post #20 of 46
12/13/07 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by Big Tone View Post
Thats what I mean. But is there such a thing as "burning-in" the Marantz for the audio to settle...the Philips had no problem, it was sounding great right off the bat! It's not am impedance issue I dont think as output level from both are very similar.
I've been burning in my 5001 24/7 and it has at least 75 hours on it now...I haven't noticed any real change in the sound.
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post #21 of 46
12/13/07 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by Sarchi View Post
I've been burning in my 5001 24/7 and it has at least 75 hours on it now...I haven't noticed any real change in the sound.
That is interesting. As I said I dont want to playing CDs on a DVD player if it can be at all avoided....that said I wouldn't rule out replacing the 5001 with a 6002...Opinions on the 6002 anyone? Marantz boast about it quite a bit but then again they would....
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post #22 of 46
12/13/07 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by HiWire View Post
Enjoy the burn-in!
The term "burn-in" dates from valve and early solid state era, with modern circuit design and components it is very doubtful that a "burn-in" is required in this day and age.
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post #23 of 46
12/13/07 at 6:24pm
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Any thoughts on the PCM1738 DAC, anyone?

I'm asking because the CEC player is now under $500 at AudioCubes. It even has balanced outputs. Hmmm...
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post #24 of 46
12/13/07 at 6:40pm
SNR of the CEC seems a little low versus the DAC specification (101 dB via XLR versus 117 dB spec), but still good enough for CD.

The PCM1738 was Burr-Brown's top-of-the-line DAC at one point, and it was the first of their current flagship "advanced segment" converters, which moved on to the PCM179x series (PCM1796 is the active replacement for PCM1738).

I have the PCM1738 in a Pioneer Elite DV-45A universal player. It's a lightweight player, and I think that in a more advanced implementation, the PCM1738 could sound even better than I'm hearing it now, so keep that caveat in mind.

Versus other DACs I've heard, it sounds highly detailed and resolving, soundstage is good but not super-wide, excellent high frequency extension, very good bass extension. The real highlight of the DAC is the amount of sheer detail it's able to wring out of a recording, and it also seems to be good at conveying different timbres--it doesn't impart its own sound signature into the mix, or gloss over it. It sounds a bit warm in the low frequencies and somewhat cool in the midrange; this is what makes it sound "forward," and I see this as the only potential deal-breaker for the DAC.
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post #25 of 46
12/13/07 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by Sarchi View Post
Any thoughts on the PCM1738 DAC, anyone?

I'm asking because the CEC player is now under $500 at AudioCubes. It even has balanced outputs. Hmmm...
Some of the less expensive CEC gear seems to have a lot of reliability issues, so tread carefully. Parasound formerly had a relationship with CEC and got out of it, then AudioAdvisor carried some of the players but doesn't do so any more.

When one of their players got some good reviews a couple of years ago, I found that the closest authorized CEC dealer to me (metro Chicago) was a guy who sold gear out of his home in Columbus, OH, and he wasn't sure if he would really stock the player or not....and Mutine, the Canadian-based distributor for US/Canada had enacted a pretty strict "no internet sales" policy when they took on the line, and wasn't keen on the idea that I would want to purchase it from a dealer in TX who had them in stock.

My educated guess was that repair of a CEC unit in the US might be quite a hassle, so I opted to drop it from consideration.
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post #26 of 46
12/14/07 at 1:26pm
you know... I'm wondering if Marantz changed something in the CD5001 because earlier this year there were a few threads about how good the cd5001 was/is for the money. I have one and have been very happy with it. I haven't really used the analog output, but from the comments the most recent people to get them it would make sense.

Anyone live close and want to do an a/b listening session?
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post #27 of 46
12/14/07 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by soloz2 View Post
you know... I'm wondering if Marantz changed something in the CD5001 because earlier this year there were a few threads about how good the cd5001 was/is for the money. I have one and have been very happy with it. I haven't really used the analog output, but from the comments the most recent people to get them it would make sense.

Anyone live close and want to do an a/b listening session?
That would be interesting, but not at this time of year (for me).

I'm not saying the 5001 is terrible, it just doesn't sound "warm and smooth" like the hype I've read. Instead I find it slightly cool and hard. Maybe I expected too much, or my ears are too sensitive to that sound signature. On wowsa audiophile recordings it does sound pretty good. Just not as good as my last two cdp's.
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post #28 of 46
12/14/07 at 1:55pm
and I'm not saying it's just you either, I think someone else recently purchased a unit and had similar comments. I should probably try to spend some time listening to the analog out on mine. See how good it really is.

I've used mine as a transport, but my DAC's outputs are too hot for my new amps and so I need to go w/o or upgrade... and just don't have the money to upgrade my DAC right now. So I was going to just go w/o, but then saw your comment and a couple others and thought well maybe I should just sell both and get a better CDP. But thinking about it some more I don't remember the analog outs sounding too bad on mine, and when I bought it there was a lot of praise for the unit. I think it would be interesting to compare.
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post #29 of 46
12/15/07 at 6:54pm
I just bought the CD5001 also ...... I was expecting it to sound better than my 1992 Sony CDP-397 , but surprisingly it is no better. I'm using a Outlaw RR2150. The headphone output of the Sony is actually better to me, the CD5001's headphone output lacks bass. I'm using Senn HD595's . I rarely use the headphone output of the cd player of course, but I have needed it lately since the 2150 has been in for service twice.

I'll let it run with a disc for a day or two, but I really doubt that will do anything.

I thought cd players would have improved since then , I guess you need to spend 3 or 4 times as much to really hear a difference. But, this is a low end player, as my Sony was, so no wonder they sound the same.

I doesn't sound bad at all hooked up to the Outlaw. I've never heard any real high end gear, and I may never. There's a sharp point of diminishing returns the more money that is spent , and I don't think I'll get any more satisfaction out of more expensive gear .
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post #30 of 46
12/15/07 at 7:14pm
Sarchi, you should come to the next Toronto meet. I might bring my new Arcam FMJ CD36 to the next one... it's pretty sweet, and I have spent the last 3 years auditioning CD players. See my recent dCS Paganini impressions for reference.
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