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post #271 of 2514
mmmm I think I'll do my nano fisrt gen soon joneeboi, kudos!.. anyway, wanted to ask if anyone's considered using say pins 17 and 24 which seem to be unused, and stashing the caps inside the dock connector? this would basically avoid the possibility of using the wrong dock or what not.. is there access to these pins? could even use the video pins if they're accessible? cut traces, etc.. hm.. anyone?

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post #272 of 2514
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Originally Posted by ruZZ.il View Post
mmmm I think I'll do my nano fisrt gen soon joneeboi, kudos!.. anyway, wanted to ask if anyone's considered using say pins 17 and 24 which seem to be unused, and stashing the caps inside the dock connector? this would basically avoid the possibility of using the wrong dock or what not.. is there access to these pins? could even use the video pins if they're accessible? cut traces, etc.. hm.. anyone?
That's what I wanted to do or just use the existing line-out pins. You can read the previous page on joneeboi's explanation on how to find these pins. Basically plug in a dock (from qables or wherever) and find the resistance between the pins from the dock and guessed locations on the nano itself.
post #273 of 2514
Thread Starter 
Wow, a lot of great stuff happening in the world of the diyMod!

I'll try to address everyone's issues one at a time.

CAvanessia:

It's good to see you got it working. I know the surprise you get when you hear the performer's breath. I listened to a violin concerto with KSC75s plugged straight into the DAC and you could hear him puffing and heaving. It was startling at first.

If you could take pictures of the dock pins, that would really help us figure out if a nano lineout is possible or how hard it would be to pull it off. If I hadn't been so lazy and uninventive the first time around with my diyMod, I could have actually routed the signal to the dock and avoid the whole rocket pack fad I seem to have started. It worked with the 4G and 5G, it might work for the nano!

Also, what kind of caps were you thinking of using once you got tired of the RatShacks?

vvs_75:

What film caps did you decide on for your mod? I'm really missing my iPod nano at this moment, but I should be getting another 4G click wheel soon. Please share with the rest of us your experiences and, most importantly, your photos

fatman711:

The 0.1uf, 0.47uf at 50V caps have the right voltage rating but are physically larger than the 6.3V set. The DC offset I measured was 1.5V, so 6.3V is more than appropriate for our application here. As for capacitance rating, I don't think that matters much besides the lower corner frequency, but as we've seen already, it won't make that big a difference between 22uF and 47uF paired with most amps.

iQEM:

How's your diyMod nano coming along? I haven't touched my Black Gates yet because I don't want to mess up this final, so I'm very anxious to open up my partsconneXion box. My other iPod dock connectors haven't arrived from Ridax yet, but I still have plenty of other things to work on over this Christmas break. I'll post pictures of how I did the diyMod dock, if you want

Austin 3:16:

Which iPod do you have? If you're willing to pay the price for parts and shipping I could pull off the mod for you. If I made any money, I'd have to become a Member of the Trade, something I'm not sure I'll do. We'll see. If you have any questions and are willing to take a $300 hit for a ~$300 savings, we're here for you

ruZZ.il:

As you probably already know, there are few hard and fast rules in the DIY realm, so you can try it that way if you like. But before you do that, consider that you'll be sure to let everyone know that your iPod is special and that they shouldn't just stick whatever docks they want wherever they want. I've found that even with my limited soldering experience and skill, I could still desolder the inductors lying just before the 4G's and 5G's dock audio pins. I'm sure you could do it as well. Nevertheless, we haven't had a successful internal diyMod nano 1G pulled off yet (that I know of), so I couldn't speak for you in that regard. I double checked and this website says that pin 24 is used for Firewire. I'm sure you meant pin 7 and 14, which are both not listed and, I assume, are unused. You could do it that way, but I wonder if Apple would put solder pads on the board for pins they weren't going to use anyway. You could just bite the bullet and desolder the inductors for pins 3 and 4, and then your nano would be compatible with ALO docks around world (think comparisons at meets). I prefer the latter way, but it's a free world, isn't it? You're free to do what you think is best.

[wgr73:

A picture tells a thousand words. More photos will be invaluable to the frightened and uncertain DIYer, so that would be awesome if you could help us out with that.]

Keep up the great work, team. I'm excited to see so many of us being so adventurous with our precious players. Perhaps I will set up a dedicated web site to support this mod. That original post is getting mighty long.
post #274 of 2514
joneeboi,

I have a variety of BG caps coming from partsconnexion. 0.47uf, 22uf, 47 uf, and 220uf. =) Most likely I will just pick the 220uf pair if I decide to do an external pigtail or box mod. The smaller ones will be for the dock.

I will take pictures of the dock pins tonight. My camera's macro mode is not focusing at all. My multimeter has a function where it beeps whenever it detects a direct path (my best way to describe it). The left and right channel seem to be in the path of 2 of the dock pins each in the ipod. I can provide pictures and more testing when I get back tonight.

Has anyone thought about replacing the battery in the ipod nanos to a smaller battery to make room for the caps? It's li-ion 3.7v 340mAh battery. Assuming the entire depth of the battery compartment can fit some caps of course.

I'll do some digging around.
post #275 of 2514
Hey I was wondering if you knew how to do a 4G click wheel mod, which wires from the DAC to the dock line out instead of headphone out, because most of my interconnects have the dock attached.
post #276 of 2514
Thread Starter 
Here are the wires from the DAC. [The left one is left, the right one is right. Looking at it the proper way would put the top pad as the right channel, and the bottom one the left. I hope that doesn't confuse you.]



I can provide pictures of the dock tonight. You can fiddle around inside and see for yourself, but there shouldn't be a problem with me uploading some tonight.
post #277 of 2514
Yeah, I've seen that one, but I'm thinking of wiring it to the docking out, which we use to charge our iPod, not the headphone 3.5mm out. So I was wondering if you've done anything like that? If not, I'll just do the one using headphone out.
post #278 of 2514
Thread Starter 
I did what I could. The pads are right next to each other this time as opposed to in the 5G. L2 and L3 are the intended destinations. It's probably not as helpful if the wiring isn't colour coded.



The left channel of the DAC goes to L3, and the right channel goes to L2. There's another wire shorting L4 since I accidentally removed it.
post #279 of 2514
hey Jon,
so you're telling me to get the 6.3v blackgates right?

Making an order now! How expensive is partsconnexion shipping? Might pick up a hakko 936 too.

Also what hook up wire to get? Radio shack?

What soldering iron are you guys using?

thanks
post #280 of 2514
Thanks a whole bunch Jon, I'll get my dad to look at it and gimme some advice.

Edit: I just opened my iPod... the components are crazily tiny.
Edit 2: Hurray, my dad just showed me his soldering skills, and it seems he's gonna nail it easy as cake, hehe. :P
post #281 of 2514
Thread Starter 
>so you're telling me to get the 6.3v blackgates right?

Yes.

>Making an order now! How expensive is partsconnexion shipping?

Mine was about $15 and it arrived in 3 business days. Order quickly, they close on the 21st and don't ship anything until the new year!

>Also what hook up wire to get? Radio shack?
Anything small. 30AWG, 28AWG, anything you fancy.

>What soldering iron are you guys using?

Weller WLC100, but I don't know if that matters. I probably should pick up some new tips, something finer than the stock. Hakko 936 sounds good though.
post #282 of 2514
Here is a picture of the dock pins on my nano. This is the best picture I can get. The magenta lines are where I found paths when testing the pins with my LOD. I will research more into how to decipher which is which.

For the people who have never seen the internals of the nano, the "Z" caps C53/C54 are on the backside of the upper-half of the nano. So I led the wires through a crack near the battery to get the wires onto this side of the nano (relative to the picture). It's quite trivial to route the wires to the pins shown in the picture without upsetting anything.

post #283 of 2514
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Originally Posted by joneeboi View Post
iQEM:

How's your diyMod nano coming along? I haven't touched my Black Gates yet because I don't want to mess up this final, so I'm very anxious to open up my partsconneXion box. My other iPod dock connectors haven't arrived from Ridax yet, but I still have plenty of other things to work on over this Christmas break. I'll post pictures of how I did the diyMod dock, if you want
huehehehee, not having any progress at all... i must have buy the caps, wires & some parts for making dock to mini coneector first before i workout the DIYmod nano... what's partsconneXion box used for ? i'll wait for the pictures of your DIYmod dock...

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Originally Posted by CAvanessia View Post
joneeboi,
Has anyone thought about replacing the battery in the ipod nanos to a smaller battery to make room for the caps? It's li-ion 3.7v 340mAh battery. Assuming the entire depth of the battery compartment can fit some caps of course.

I'll do some digging around.
great idea...what ?! only 340mAh battery on Nano ? no wonder they dont last for good...are any higher capacity battery for nano 1st GEN ? sorry kinda out of topic...

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Edit 2: Hurray, my dad just showed me his soldering skills, and it seems he's gonna nail it easy as cake, hehe. :P
what an lucky one...

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Originally Posted by CAvanessia View Post
Here is a picture of the dock pins on my nano. This is the best picture I can get. The magenta lines are where I found paths when testing the pins with my LOD. I will research more into how to decipher which is which.

For the people who have never seen the internals of the nano, the "Z" caps C53/C54 are on the backside of the upper-half of the nano. So I led the wires through a crack near the battery to get the wires onto this side of the nano (relative to the picture). It's quite trivial to route the wires to the pins shown in the picture without upsetting anything.

useful pict...thx !
post #284 of 2514
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Originally Posted by joneeboi View Post
vvs_75:

What film caps did you decide on for your mod? I'm really missing my iPod nano at this moment, but I should be getting another 4G click wheel soon. Please share with the rest of us your experiences and, most importantly, your photos
I am taking pics through out the process and post them ASAP.
post #285 of 2514
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Originally Posted by fatman711 View Post
hey Jon,
so you're telling me to get the 6.3v blackgates right?

Making an order now! How expensive is partsconnexion shipping? Might pick up a hakko 936 too.

Also what hook up wire to get? Radio shack?

What soldering iron are you guys using?

thanks
If you in Canada then partsconnexion should be cheaper.

I bought mine from Michael Percy Audio Ordering Information

it was under $10 within US
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