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post #211 of 2514
Nice job ishtob!! Looks amazing! How do you think it sounds?

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post #212 of 2514
bass is definately expanded alot more and i'm getting some pretty nice deetailed and yet warm sound, only problem now is I cant use my output jack without an amp.. I tried it, and all the treble were too soft to be audible
post #213 of 2514
did I do something wrong if I cant use my headphone without an amp?

the bass becomes overwhelming and the highs are barely audible
post #214 of 2514
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Originally Posted by jERiCOh View Post

Waiting for the caps now ... I tested it directly on the stock apple dock and it still works (nothing is ruined ).
BTW, I own a nano 2nd gen too ... Maybe I'll open it when I'll be done with his big brother.
I'm wondering a question when I saw your ipod :

You plug 2 wires but didn't remove anything : you can still use the normal line out. IF you solder the 2 caps which signal you will catch from the LOD : original one or the modded one : the two ways are working together : is it not bad ?

(you did your mod on a Video ? )
post #215 of 2514
Bobby, hes not done with the mod. Eventually he'll have just the caps he purchased connected...not as shown in the picture.

ishtob: Were you intending on using the built-in (via click wheel) amp to control your volume?
post #216 of 2514
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Bobby, hes not done with the mod. Eventually he'll have just the caps he purchased connected...not as shown in the picture.
I know that, you didn't understand my question : he made a short circuit, he just plugged in // two wires without disconnecting the other circuit.

So both signals are connecting to the same dock pin (with or without the caps don't care, it's not my meaning ) : nothing is strange for you about this fact ?

For works properly has at least to remove the caps over the wolfson chips ! For cancel the original signal !!!!

Am I wrong ?
post #217 of 2514
Theorically, if you build an highway to let the signal go through, the small and steep road in parallel will not be used. I'm planning to cut the bridges to that road tho...
post #218 of 2514
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ishtob View Post
did I do something wrong if I cant use my headphone without an amp?

the bass becomes overwhelming and the highs are barely audible
What headphones are you using? I can't imagine wanting to listen to your iPod without an amp, since it would be so very loud. Wolfson says we can plug 16ohm headphones straight into the DAC. I wonder if that would be excessively loud. Though the Wolfsons allow you to connect your headphones straight, you normally have some sort of amp after the DAC anyway. How's it sound with the amp?

bobby001:

Yes, that's the iPod video. The signal in the original dock and the one that we are modding are the same one except that they travel through different paths. Personally I would remove the caps right after the DAC, but there are different ways of doing the diyMod.

1) Remove only the caps after the DAC.
2) Remove the inductors right before the dock.
3) Combine 1) and 2).

I personally did 3) because I wanted pads that were easier to solder to. At the very least, the diyModder should perform option 1) because that results in less signal being leaked all the way up to the dock. If you do just 2), then some of the electrons will travel all the way up to the dock, stealing some of the signal. In this case, jERiCOh is getting both the modded and unmodded signals at his line out (unless he did some more mods we don't know about), so I would only imagine that being bad for the sound. I don't know how that might affect it except for some sort of time deviation between the signals because of different paths, but I don't know if the time discrepancy is noticeable. Essentially, you don't want to do it that way. Maybe we're just splitting quarks here (okay, maybe not), but why unnecessarily introduce problems? Thanks for pointing that out, bobby. I noticed it but didn't give it any thought.

I do want to point, however, the good job jERiCOh did in routing his wires. Notice how they travel around the Wolfson, around the click wheel and that chip on the bottom right. I didn't realize this until after closing up the iPod but we're splitting tenths of millimeters here, and the wires can raise the front plate up, causing the click wheel to sink in. It gives the iPod user a bit of a different tactile experience, but I wouldn't recommend it. jERiCOh's is almost a perfect example of how to route the wires.
post #219 of 2514
Stupid question :

Is it possisble to remove the caps over the wolfson and solder the BG caps instead of them : one side of the black gates on the first contact (where is actually plug the diymod wire) and you solder the wire on the second side without touching the board.



Black parts are BG (top BG's contact don't touch the board, just solder the wire on it and the other end of the wire on the dock)
Green is cable

Is it possible or the BG are too big ? I didn't see BG beside a 5G board for realize the size
post #220 of 2514
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Ne vous on faites pas. Si nous ne savons pas, on demande, n'est-ce pas? (I'm assuming since you're sometimes in France you can read French )

The simple answer is that the Black Gates are far too big to fit inside the case. What you could do is similar to what ishtob did: you could drill some holes through the front plate of the iPod so that the caps stick out of the front. Not as visually pleasing, but pretty cool if you do it right. That way you get to show off your sweet caps too.
post #221 of 2514
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Ne vous en faites pas. Si nous ne savons pas, on demande, n'est-ce pas? (I'm assuming since you're sometimes in France you can read French )

The simple answer is that the Black Gates are far too big to fit inside the case. What you could do is similar to what ishtob did: you could drill some holes through the front plate of the iPod so that the caps stick out of the front. Not as visually pleasing, but pretty cool if you do it right. That way you get to show off your sweet caps too.
You are right I'm french.

Ok so I will put the BG in the LOD. Don't want to drill anything . Like that I will also modify a dock with huge caps

But I will only do it in the end of january when I will go back France
post #222 of 2514


The bridges are now cut ...

I tried to only remove the caps, still getting that scroll click. Then, I removed the inductors and the scroll click disappeared. In conclusion, if you want a best signal without glitches you must remove the caps next to the dac and the inductors going the the dock.
post #223 of 2514
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by joneeboi View Post
Ne vous en faites pas.
Ben, ça fait trop long que j'étudie. Je suis devenu parasseux avec ma grammaire.

Remember to send a postcard
post #224 of 2514
I'm waiting for my nano and caps to arrive. =) Finals are over!

Any ideas how RWA/ALO gets the signal into the dock connectors? I'm thinking about putting the caps into a big dock connector.

Are there unused pins in the iPod dock to get the signal out? There has to be a way since ALO dock works the same way.
post #225 of 2514
Thread Starter 
The RWA/ALO collaboration only happened with the iMod 5G. Further, the iMod nano 1G only happened once as a custom job for drp. As for the dock, checking out Apple iPod dock interface pinout and signals @ pinouts.ru shows that there are no unused pins. Aside from that fact, ALO takes the line out signals from the same place as every other analogue iPod dock. The iMod 5G dock simply replaces the dock's output, such as jERiCOh has shown us here. If you can figure out a way to get the line out feed straight from the WM8975 to the dock, then do share. You could route the wires to the dock, but I couldn't tell you too specifically how. Send the feed from C53 to pin 3 and C54 to pin 4.
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