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post #1156 of 2485
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Will 0.1uf be similar sounding towards my present Mcap 4.7uf?
Before I give you the values you want, I'll offer two contextual responses. First, you ought to always listen for yourself what value you want in your diyMod. That's the final test and greatest advantage of DIY; people can say what they want about brands, values, bypassing, whatever, but only you hear what you hear. Second and less interestingly, it depends on what is being paired with what. If it's an amp, if it's a set of headphones, this choice has an adverse effect on the size of your capacitor (say, 4.7uF vs. 470uF). If it's a 3G with such and such an amp, if it's a nano 1G with this or that brand of cap, things change. Ultimately, there's no guarantee that what anyone says here will be your experience, so you're going to have to find out for yourself. What everyone here likes may not be what you like. That having been said, people have used values from 0.1uF to 47uF for headphone amps. I have stated over and again that I love the BG NX Hi-Q 47uF 6.3V capacitor for my diyMod 4G and PIMETA with AD8620/AD8610 set at gain ~4 on my rescreened Grado SR60s with glue-modded Jumbo pads, Canare Starquad recable, and Dynamat driver mod with files encoded as 320kbps MP3 played through the original Apple firmware. You need to have a holistic view of your music, and again, what works for your ear may not work with mine.

Short answer is "maybe."

Gear mentioned in this thread:

Apple 30 GB iPod with Video Playback Black (5th Generation)
iPod Nano Headset Music Player
Apple iPod classic 160 GB Black (6th Generation) OLD MODEL
post #1157 of 2485
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Originally Posted by joneeboi View Post
Before I give you the values you want, I'll offer two contextual responses. First, you ought to always listen for yourself what value you want in your diyMod. That's the final test and greatest advantage of DIY; people can say what they want about brands, values, bypassing, whatever, but only you hear what you hear. Second and less interestingly, it depends on what is being paired with what. If it's an amp, if it's a set of headphones, this choice has an adverse effect on the size of your capacitor (say, 4.7uF vs. 470uF). If it's a 3G with such and such an amp, if it's a nano 1G with this or that brand of cap, things change. Ultimately, there's no guarantee that what anyone says here will be your experience, so you're going to have to find out for yourself. What everyone here likes may not be what you like. That having been said, people have used values from 0.1uF to 47uF for headphone amps. I have stated over and again that I love the BG NX Hi-Q 47uF 6.3V capacitor for my diyMod 4G and PIMETA with AD8620/AD8610 set at gain ~4 on my rescreened Grado SR60s with glue-modded Jumbo pads, Canare Starquad recable, and Dynamat driver mod with files encoded as 320kbps MP3 played through the original Apple firmware. You need to have a holistic view of your music, and again, what works for your ear may not work with mine.

Short answer is "maybe."
Thks for your info and explanation!so it all trial and error.btw how or what do the different values affect the sound?
post #1158 of 2485
How much worse is the headphone out compared to line out on the Wolfson's chips?

I want to use the ipod to control the volume and not bother with adjusting the volume on the amp, but how much SQ will I be sacrificing if I do that?
post #1159 of 2485
Thread Starter 
The only difference is a digital volume control, but I don't know if you'll be able to tell the sound difference between the two. See the datasheet block diagram (page 1) for more details.
post #1160 of 2485
I have a 3G so it's the 8731, it seems like the HP out is an additional stage after the line out. It seems like it doesn't make that big of a difference on the 8971 since it's the same output, but what about the 8731?

Line out


HP out
post #1161 of 2485
I just wonder, if I take out the L2 and L3 next to the dock (4G Photo), should I take out the capacitor next to it as well?
post #1162 of 2485
Thread Starter 
darkfury18:

Apologies, I didn't know you were referring to the iPod 3G. I can't speak of low- or high-quality sound coming from either one, but the datasheet states that the headphone outputs are optimized for a 16 Ohm to 32 Ohm load. This detail means that if one is hooking up a headphone amp with, say, 10 kOhm input impedance, I don't believe the DAC would be performing at its best. It looks like it's a simple inverting amplifier that we're looking at, but again, the datasheet specifies 16 Ohms to 32 Ohms for the headphone outputs. Stick with the line out.

pkjames:

Absolutely, as long as you don't irrevocably destroy anything along the way.
post #1163 of 2485
Thanks, joneeboi. Guess I'll stick with the line out then.
post #1164 of 2485
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Originally Posted by joneeboi View Post
darkfury18:


Absolutely, as long as you don't irrevocably destroy anything along the way.
Thanks for the clarification joneeboi. I think it is actually kinda hard to "not to destroy"anything, but just have to make sure it is recoverable is the key
post #1165 of 2485
Hi,

I modded my 4th gen ipod a while back.

But for some reason the battery won't hold charge anymore.


I charge it overnight, in the morning it says fully charge, I disconnect the AC adapter and leave the ipod alone for about 8 hrs and when I come back it gives me the dead battery sign (battery with a question mark) and turns off.


I changed the battery to a new one (tried 3 different batteries actually), but still same problem. Then I finally changed the logic board out.

I thought maybe the logic board was messed up because I plugged in the AC adapter to the ipod for about a week straight to burn in the new caps. So maybe I overloaded the charging circuit somehow.


Still the same problem.



Any ideas/tips?

I have no idea why it's draining the battery like that. I'm pretty sure when I initially completed the mod, this problem did not arise.


I didn't change/alter anything to the mod, took out old caps c84/86, and grounded from the headphone jack to 1 of 2 of these big pads near the dock side (maybe that's why??)

Can put up pix later.

Thanks in advance
post #1166 of 2485
Same with me on the Gen5
It's able turn on when plugging the charger, but when put out, it turns off
post #1167 of 2485
^ you try changing the battery?

I'm not sure why it would do this, the other reason i can think of (for my 4th gen) is maybe when I made a ground wire (from head phone jack), it's someone discharging the battery :\


but uh, i really dont know otherwise.
post #1168 of 2485
Thread Starter 
Pics are always helpful.

barqy:

Are you accessing the DAC through the dock or through the headphone jack? I don't understand why you needed to ground anything unless you used some kind of external jack like I did on my first mod. Whether you go through the headphone jack or the dock, you never need to add your own ground wire. That could be the source of the problem.

edit: You might want to disconnect the wires and see if the voltages between the ground wires are indeed the same. If they aren't, there probably is current flowing from one to the other that is causing the battery to run out of power.

Lil' Knight:

I think we're going to need a bit more clarification to be of any use.
post #1169 of 2485
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Originally Posted by joneeboi View Post
edit: You might want to disconnect the wires and see if the voltages between the ground wires are indeed the same. If they aren't, there probably is current flowing from one to the other that is causing the battery to run out of power.

I connected to headphone out~

I added the ground b/c i was advised to do so by another head-fier heh


You mean disconnect the ground wire from the board and test the ptn on the logic board I used as the ground for voltage?

I'd do this with the ipod off correct?
post #1170 of 2485
Thread Starter 
That's part of what I'm saying. The other part of the message was that you should remove the wire. It's unnecessary.
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