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Btw, could it be fatal to the dac if the opamps are inserted the wrong way? I guess they all have the text written the same way, so it should be an easy task?
post #452 of 9228
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Originally Posted by nor_spoon View Post
Really looking forward to it! I'll try to give some impressions when I get some playing time with the dac.
Excellent! I was going to try the 797s, but my shipment has gone missing and HongKong post is trying to find it. Just my luck!!
post #453 of 9228
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Btw, could it be fatal to the dac if the opamps are inserted the wrong way? I guess they all have the text written the same way, so it should be an easy task?
When looking at the chip, there is a indented circle or dot on one end, closer to one side than the other. That identifies pin 1. So, when removing the stock Opamp, see where pin 1 is and then insert the new Opamp the same way.
post #454 of 9228
After reading all 56 pages of this thread, I am seriously considering purchasing a Zero primarily for a headphone amp for my Denon D1000's. I have a few questions, but first the setup .... I am listening to a Panasonic portable CD player -> Line out to a Penguin Cafeine -> Denon D1000. Nice sound but slightly deficient in "Wow" if you know what I mean. Would the Zero with a suitable source improve the Wow factor?

I would also need an optical source. I have a JVC XV-S500 DVD player with optical out. Would that be a suitable source for playing CD's? If the player is sending a digital signal, how much effect does it have on SQ?

I also have a M-Audio 2496 card in a computer which also has optical out that I could use as a source; but, the overhead/noise of running a computer to play CD's seems a bit overkill.

I could also buy a CD player with optical out (thank you very much Head-fi) if anyone has any suggestions.....

Shopper: Have you received your Zero yet? If so, how would you compare the sq of it compared to that of your P2?
post #455 of 9228
We need comparisons to some amps here. Since some people are getting their amps now, after burn in, this is a must.
post #456 of 9228
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Originally Posted by Jeff J. View Post
I just tried the Zero as a pre-amp, and was unfortunately very disappointed.. I only have about 50hrs burn-in, but I dont think the preamp performance can be attributed to lack of burn in alone. The sound is a bit dull and muddy, nothing compared to the stellar headphone amp performance.
that's strange, I'm fairly sure that the headphone amp does the pre-amping duties

so i find it strange that it sounds good as a headphone amp and not as a pre-amp
The headphone output IS the preamp output. If you connect to the rca output on the zero it is like connecting to your cd/dvd player. At that point you are just using the zero as a dac, not a preamplifier (not that there is anything wrong with that). If you want to use it as a preamp you need a cable to convert from the headphone jack to rca inputs on your amp (most likely). That same cable is what most people would be using to connect their computer to their stereo or to convert any headphone signal to stereo rca and costs only a few dollars. Not trying to offend anyone if that seems too basic to be posting here. I was going to buy a nicer cable just for that purpose before my zero stopped functioning Lawrence has contacted me, unfortunately his ideas are things I've already done: ie push the reset button on the inside, leave the unit unplugged for a day to see if the caps discharge and it resets itself. The unit seems to function fine as far as powering up, switching inputs etc but bottom line no sound.
post #457 of 9228
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I would also need an optical source. I have a JVC XV-S500 DVD player with optical out. Would that be a suitable source for playing CD's? If the player is sending a digital signal, how much effect does it have on SQ?
In that case you are using the JVC as a transport. I don't know anything about that model but there are tricks you can do to improve any transport as far as dampening it internally and externally, shielding, etc so that it picks up all the info from the disc. There is probably a cheap dvd player or older cd player that everyone says is the best for using as a transport but I don't keep up with that. My plan is to use an external cdrom drive eventually.
post #458 of 9228
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The headphone output IS the preamp output.
Krendopolis, I'm not trying to step on your toes here, but we need to make sure facts are accurate as possible for everyone. If you have been following the thread here, you will see that we have proven that the headphone amp section is independent of the DAC/Pre-amp section. The actual pre-amp output IS the RCA line outs on the rear of the Zero. When you connect these to an amp, it is at a set output level, not amp'ed again or messed with by volume controls. This makes it very clean and ready to be amp'ed by your favorite amp.

The headphone amp section is a completely separate board and is made for driving headphones. It is not intended to be a pre-amp. It has an Opamp for the left channel and the right channel and its output is volume pot controlled.

No one is sure what will happen if you try to use these functions for other than what they are intended for. The Zero has built in protection circuits that will stop output if something is not correct, so please be careful.
post #459 of 9228
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I have a JVC XV-S500 DVD player with optical out. Would that be a suitable source for playing CD's? If the player is sending a digital signal, how much effect does it have on SQ?

I also have a M-Audio 2496 card in a computer which also has optical out that I could use as a source; but, the overhead/noise of running a computer to play CD's seems a bit overkill.
I had great success using a Toshiba DVD player as a CD player, optical out. You are right, it sure beats running the computer for listening to CDs. I would try that JVC unit with optical before spending any money. You may be surprised!
post #460 of 9228
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First, let me apologize for the terrible pic. I meant to take a new one from my Zero, but I am unable to right now. So, here is one that at least we can see where the Opamps are on the headphone board:



The first Opamp is behind the volume pot. You can see the Opamp sitting in it's socket. The second, is right behind the headphone jack, and you can only see one bank of it's pins sticking into the socket. I promise to get a better pic and update this post, as soon as my back will let me.
post #461 of 9228
So you're saying you can use this as a pre with an amp with gain controls using the rca outputs? I didn't detect a change in the rca output level when activating the headphone amp (which is also labeled preamp) but I didn't get to use it very long. As far as being careful it's just a little too late.
post #462 of 9228
Well I contacted Lawrence again and this is what he said when I mentioned using the zero as a pre via the headphone output jack.

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Dear Sir ,

I am sorry I misunderstood your question .
Yes , you can use the headphone output as the pre amp by a headphone jack to RCA sockets and won't cause any trouble.

Thank you very much !

Best regards,
Lawrence
He's certainly a friendly guy and this makes me feel a bit better about not being responsible for this thing not working. I just didn't know how else you would use it as a preamp since the volume control doesn't affect the rear output.

Edit: I have heard of hooking up a source directly to an amp and listening at a set level I've just never tried it and I didn't think that was what the preamp function of this unit was referring to.
post #463 of 9228
Where can I get a hold of one of these?
post #464 of 9228
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Originally Posted by Krendopolis View Post
So you're saying you can use this as a pre with an amp with gain controls using the rca outputs? I didn't detect a change in the rca output level when activating the headphone amp (which is also labeled preamp) but I didn't get to use it very long. As far as being careful it's just a little too late.
One push of the button, blue light comes on, you are in (Phones) headphone mode. Another push of the same button, light goes out, you are in (Preamp)pre-amp mode, RCAs are active at a SET output level. The volume knob only works when in headphone mode.

You are thinking of a pre-amp like my SPEC-1, where everything gets hooked to it and it drives the output via a volume knob. This isn't what the Zero does.

The Zero is a DAC/Pre-amp/Headphone amp. The idea is that you would hook the RCA's to either an AUX input of another system, or directly to a seperate amplifier (like a tube headphone amp or solid state amp) with it's own level controls. I'm sure you could rig the headphone jacks output to another units input, but why would you want to do this? The cleanest signal out is the RCAs.

If you think it is possible the protection circuits are kicking off the output, tell us exactly how you have it hooked up to what other equipment and maybe we can help somehow. We are all here to help.
post #465 of 9228
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Where can I get a hold of one of these?
Usually on Monday's Lawrence will post more on eBay. Right now, only one other seller has some up there, but he's got the price vs. shipping all weird.
Search for Zero Amp and you'll see what I mean.
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