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post #2521 of 9242
How do I know that I put the opamp in the right way (so I won't blow them up again on monday)? And another possibility could be 1x1364 in DAC and 2x 1361 in AMP ?
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How do I know that I put the opamp in the right way (so I won't blow them up again on monday)? And another possibility could be 1x1364 in DAC and 2x 1361 in AMP ?
The opamps have a round dot on them. Make sure that the new dot is at the same place as the dot on the old opamp. You can also look at the text. It should be the same way as the old opamps.
post #2523 of 9242
Thanks, also to burn in the DAC, do you have to connect anything? Like right now its connected to my pc, which is sending purple noise to it. And the ZERO is connected to my receiver (which is OFF), should still be burning in right?
post #2524 of 9242
I just noticed on the Ebay that now Zero comes with the USB connecting device. I'm not sure how good it might be but it just looks like a device that converts the USB into the optical signal for the zero. Now, I might actually buy one to try with the UBS from my pc.
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I just noticed on the Ebay that now Zero comes with the USB connecting device. I'm not sure how good it might be but it just looks like a device that converts the USB into the optical signal for the zero. Now, I might actually buy one to try with the UBS from my pc.
Be careful!!! Snow48_6 was identified earlier this year as a scam artist. He may have gone legit, but we don't know for sure.
post #2526 of 9242
Who's the other guy that sells the zero on ebay ??? And does he also include this USB converter with his zero?
post #2527 of 9242
Just curious if anyone has tried to drive HD650s with their zero and how it turned out?

Well Penchum, I see you have a HD650. How does it sound?

Also what have you found the HD650 prefers, SS or tube?
post #2528 of 9242
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Originally Posted by ianp View Post
It will likely come down to personal tastes and what other kit is involved. I have the ZERO feeding a Cayin tube amp and haven't yet found the best overall DAC opamp for my varied musical tastes. Add to that the ability to roll preamp and power tubes and I have quite some combinations to try out. I'm taking my time swapping the opamps and it is very interesting to hear the differences.

On one hand $40 is not a lot compared to some of the tube prices, but on the other it is $40 that you may not wish to spend if you are happy with the sound that you are hearing.

-- sorry, should have multo-quoted oatmeal769 and not just penchum
I completely agree with what you have said. So many variables! I can share what I've run into so far, just to try and add some "general" thoughts. I tested my first Zero with every combination of Opamps I could get my hands on. So many choices were great, but lacked the proper sound for output to a separate amp. I ended up putting the most neutral sounding tubes I had in my tube amps, and testing the different Opamps in the DAC all over again, to see if I could come up with the "best known" total output.

No matter how I arranged things, or which amp I was driving, it always came back to the OPA627's in the DAC. Part of this I can attribute to the Senn HD-650 (or so I thought), until others with different headphones chimed in that they had come to the same conclusion.

This all bothered me greatly, because it was making my life difficult (or more easy) to recommend a decent DAC Opamp! So, I hooked my Zero up to my MKV Solid State Dual Mono headphone amp, to see how I would end up this time. To further change the situation, I used my HD-600's instead of the HD-650s. After several days of swapping Opamps, I ended up back at the OPA627's in the DAC. DAMN! Well, at this point, I ordered my second set of OPA627's on another adapter and gave in.

Understand that this was all about using the Zero as a DAC for other amps. It is very possible to end up with different Opamp combinations, if using the Zero as a DAC and AMP for your headphones. One Opamp stands out in the crowd as a positive force for the DAC, when using the internal headphone amp, the LT1364. There was something very right about putting the LT1364 in the DAC and either the LT1469's or LT1361's in the internal Headphone Amp. Very nice indeed.

If you were to optimize the DAC output to another amp, lets say the OPA627's on an adapter in the DAC, then figuring out which internal headphone amp Opamps to use becomes much easier. I found that for the HD-600 and HD-650, the LT1364's in the internal headphone amp, worked the best with the OPA627's in the DAC.

YMMV. IMHO, it is a bunch of testing to take this from ground up to solution.
I've very burnt out on swapping Opamps, but that wasn't the reason for the solution I came up with. It was all about the best SQ I could find for my amps and setup. Hopefully, what I found out will help others narrow the field a little, so they can find the best for their rigs.

PS: Another aspect of the OPA627's I really liked in the DAC, was the sound stage. It is big and beautiful. I'm listeining to some of my fav tunes right now, using the X-Fi optical out to Zero with OPA627's in the DAC, driving my MKV Solid State Dual Mono Headphone Amp, with my HD-650's. The sound stage is wide and 3D, proper in positioning and very, very dynamic! I just love it!!
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Originally Posted by Snicewicz View Post
Just curious if anyone has tried to drive HD650s with their zero and how it turned out?

Well Penchum, I see you have a HD650. How does it sound?

Also what have you found the HD650 prefers, SS or tube?
As you can tell by my previous post, I love it. The nice thing about the HD-650, is the fact that you can use it with a great tube amp or a great SS amp. It has excellent synergy with both, as long as the source is great.
post #2530 of 9242
Just curious did you prefer the 650s out of the LD MKV or a tube version LD?
post #2531 of 9242
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Just curious did you prefer the 650s out of the LD MKV or a tube version LD?
Overall, I'd say the best sound I have witnessed so far is using the MKIVse with the HD-650s. I do prefer "overall" the HD-600's with the MKV. Again, it's all about synergy with my equipment. I have a bias for SS, which I got way back in 1977. Even with that bias, I have found tube amps to be very additive and an excellent platform for headphones.

All of this, while using the Zero as the DAC for lossless in my PC.
post #2532 of 9242
Alright thanks for all the info. Its a toss up for me right now between the 701 and 650.

If i go for the 701 ill get a darkvoice and if i go for the 650 ill get the LD MKV or MKIVse
post #2533 of 9242
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I ordered my second set of OPA627's on another adapter and gave in.
Does this mean that you sourced the setup as an all in one? If So, could you give us a link? I'm guessing that the whole package will be less expensive (shipping, etc.) if bought from one source.

Thanks for the awesome mini review as well, My setup is nearly identical to yours, and right now the 1364DAC / 1361 or 1469AMP combo sounds best to me as well. I'm gonna want a 627 DAC too I think, if it's even better.
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Does this mean that you sourced the setup as an all in one? If So, could you give us a link? I'm guessing that the whole package will be less expensive (shipping, etc.) if bought from one source.

Thanks for the awesome mini review as well, My setup is nearly identical to yours, and right now the 1364DAC / 1361 or 1469AMP combo sounds best to me as well. I'm gonna want a 627 DAC too I think, if it's even better.
I got my second set with the adapter from tube_buyer on ebay. If he doesn't have any listed, send him a note.

Remember, the OPA627's in the DAC were BEST IMHO for output to another amp. If only using the Zero as your DAC and headphone amp, the LT1364 in the DAC and LT1469 or LT1361 in the headphone amp seemed best.
post #2535 of 9242
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I got my second set with the adapter from tube_buyer on ebay. If he doesn't have any listed, send him a note.

Remember, the OPA627's in the DAC were BEST IMHO for output to another amp. If only using the Zero as your DAC and headphone amp, the LT1364 in the DAC and LT1469 or LT1361 in the headphone amp seemed best.
Is he reputable? I.E., what's the result of the whole counterfeit thing?
Yes, the DAC is mostly to be used with my LD MKIII, and eventually I'd like to get a MKV as well, so I think the 627 is the way to go.

Not to be off topic, but are you still really stoked on the MK V as a SS choice over your ZERO?
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