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Originally Posted by pearljam5000 View Post
did anyone try it with K-701's,is the amp strong enough? did anyone compare it with 0404 usb?
i'm looking for a cheap source\amp for my new k-701, and this looks like a good option....
I have to differ somewhat from what other have said based on my own experience.
The ZERO does seem to drive the 701s pretty adequately. I have been using this combo with the stock op-amps.
The downer is the lack of adequate bass, which is not necessarily ZERO's fault.
The mids and the highs are fluid and engaging. The details are great.
But the bass is no where near where it should be, even to a non-BASS head like me. Its very subtle and controlled. Might be good for some kinds of music...

So be very careful with source and amp matching with 701s.
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Originally Posted by Penchum View Post
It actually has both functions! I'll explain. As a DAC and headphone amp, the Zero takes your optical or coaxial signal and either sends it to the RCA output for driving another amp, or if you have it selected, will send the signal to the internal headphone amp if your headphones are plugged in. Very simple and most likely 95% of it's use by us.

As a pre-amp, the Zero takes your optical or coaxial signal and if no headphones are present in the jack and you have the pre-amp button selected, will send the signal through the volume control and out to the RCA jacks. This way, you have a volume knob controlled pre-amp output you could hook straight to any amplifier and control the volume from the Zero! I did this with my Pioneer SPEC4 amplifier and it worked great!

It's a neat function that only a few might use, but it makes the Zero more flexible and helps it fit more situations.
I have been using it in a similar fashion.
Computer toslink > ZERO > H/K Stereo reciever > Dana 630 desktop speakers

I always have the HPs plugged in. Whenever I want to listen thru the cans - I use the button on the ZERO, which cuts off the input to the H/K and into the HPs. I almost never use the volume knob on the Zero - its set at a comfortable listening level for the HPs.
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The question I have for the veterans here is - Is there a combinations of Opamps that will help with the bass on the 701s? And I dont even want a SLAM just adequate bass.

My 701s currently have about 200+ hours on them. The Zero has about 100 hours.
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Originally Posted by Ash View Post
I have to differ somewhat from what other have said based on my own experience.
The ZERO does seem to drive the 701s pretty adequately. I have been using this combo with the stock op-amps.
The downer is the lack of adequate bass, which is not necessarily ZERO's fault.
The mids and the highs are fluid and engaging. The details are great.
But the bass is no where near where it should be, even to a non-BASS head like me. Its very subtle and controlled. Might be good for some kinds of music...

So be very careful with source and amp matching with 701s.
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Originally Posted by Ash View Post
The question I have for the veterans here is - Is there a combinations of Opamps that will help with the bass on the 701s? And I dont even want a SLAM just adequate bass.

My 701s currently have about 200+ hours on them. The Zero has about 100 hours.
Out of all of them I have tried, the best bass has been the OPA627's on a brown dog adapter in the DAC section, and LT1364s in the headphone amp. But, this has been with Senn's, so I caution as to its applicability. There are several folks here who have K701's, but I don't know if they use them full time or not. This is also the most expensive setup, due to the OPA627's.
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Originally Posted by Ash View Post
I have to differ somewhat from what other have said based on my own experience.
The ZERO does seem to drive the 701s pretty adequately. I have been using this combo with the stock op-amps.
The downer is the lack of adequate bass, which is not necessarily ZERO's fault.
The mids and the highs are fluid and engaging. The details are great.
But the bass is no where near where it should be, even to a non-BASS head like me. Its very subtle and controlled. Might be good for some kinds of music...

So be very careful with source and amp matching with 701s.
Have you given consideration to replacing the K701s with a different headphone like the HD-600?
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Originally Posted by Ash View Post
I have to differ somewhat from what other have said based on my own experience.
The ZERO does seem to drive the 701s pretty adequately. I have been using this combo with the stock op-amps.
The downer is the lack of adequate bass, which is not necessarily ZERO's fault.
The mids and the highs are fluid and engaging. The details are great.
But the bass is no where near where it should be, even to a non-BASS head like me. Its very subtle and controlled. Might be good for some kinds of music...

So be very careful with source and amp matching with 701s.
The stock op-amps, especially the pair of 5532 on the amp board are pretty much universally panned by anyone who's rolled anything else into the sockets. That isn't to say that the amp is a great match with 701's with other chips, but I'm sure it can be noticably improved.

I have 627's in the DAC and LT1364 in the amp - but I don't use the amp section with anything but RS-1's and not with them very often.
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Zero has arrived!

My wife called and The Box has arrived. I'll go home and take a quick look and after a couple errands I'll unpack and try it out with the laptop.

Question: I have a Monster Cable RCA cable. This should work OK for S/PDIF, right?

More posting after first impressions with the HD-650s!
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Audio cables don't work well, if at all, as digital cables. They are generally the wrong impedance. A Video cable, if 75 ohm, will work fine.
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Originally Posted by bada bing View Post
The stock op-amps, especially the pair of 5532 on the amp board are pretty much universally panned by anyone who's rolled anything else into the sockets.
I am not sure I understand what that means?
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Originally Posted by Penchum View Post
Have you given consideration to replacing the K701s with a different headphone like the HD-600?
I might have to do that eventually!
I really like the looks and the fit on the 701 though
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Question: I have a Monster Cable RCA cable. This should work OK for S/PDIF, right?

Are you talking about a co-ax? If so yes..The Zero comes with a optical cable
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Originally Posted by sdgserv View Post
Are you talking about a co-ax? If so yes..The Zero comes with a optical cable
The RCA works. I guess it is coax.
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How do you have this set up?
Computer > Zero >HPhones
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Originally Posted by sorcer View Post
More posting after first impressions with the HD-650s!
After three long weeks of waiting (3/7-3/24, is that less? ;-), my little Zero arrived today. This is my first attempt at owning better than mid-fi audio.

I had already bought the Sennheiser HD-650s (big splurge), and had enjoyed them a lot with just my 3G iPod and mostly MP3s.

First thing I did was take the lid off. Had to see it for real after looking at Penchum's pics a million times. Looks fine; I think the xformer may be different - less diameter and taller, but I'm not sure. Anyway, it looks clean and red and pretty. I can post pictures later if anyone wants to see even more Zero guts.

I tried an old DVD player's coaxial output with a Monster Cable RCA, but that didn't work, so I took the Zero over to the laptop, plugged the RCA into the S/PDIF plug, and pressed play on a bach goldberg variations/gould/zenph/binaural/Aria/foobar2k. Still nothing. Oops, "Optical" was pressed. Try the "Coaxial" button silly...there's something...wait, is the sound coming from the computer speakers? I'm hearing something like a sound stage... I lifted one side of the phones off my ears, and no, the sound is coming from the phones. wow. More volume. turn everything around me off. Send the kids to bed. Less light around the area (does anyone else find light distracting more than a bit?). More listening. Grabbed whatever was near: Dire Straits, Elivs (Costello), S&G, Toto, Chick Corea.

To these tin ears, this is easily the best sound I've ever owned, and maybe the best I've ever heard, even compared to my buddy's $20K+ speaker system.

I am very happy. Can't wait to try out all my music.

Penchum: thanks a lot for all your work on this thread; I'd not have bought the Zero if this thread with all your commentary had not been here.
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