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post #1306 of 9228
I have now used LT1057 in the dac and LT1469, LT1361, LT1364, LME49720, LT1358 in the amp. With my headphones (dt880 05 250ohm, ms2i, dt990 05 32ohm), I find LT1469 to be the winner in the amp.

dac + amp:

LT1057 + LT1469 sounds very musical and euforic with a very beautiful midrange, but still with ok air and everything else. I find that it's the combo with the most bass out of all those also. It is rather coloured, but in a nice musical way, the timber is ok but nothing special. The sound is on the warm side.

LT1057 + LT1361 was very airy and quite pleasent sounding, it was the brightest of the bunch. It had some sharp edges which made the sound very clear.

LT1057 + LT1364 I didn't think that the difference between LT1361 and LT1364 would be as large as it was. The sound was still airy, but not as much as with LT1361. The midrange was not as clear and sharp as with LT1361, a little dry but still pleasant. I did not find it harsh at all. The timber was probably the best of the bunch.

LT1057 + LME49720 This combo is similar to LT1469, but takes the euforic sound a bit too far, which makes it a bit too colored. From what I've read, LME49720 is very similar to LM4562, and thus should not be very colored so I guess that it's LT1057 which shines through. The sound is airy but still thick at the same time. The midrange is about the same as with LT1469. I will not use this combo as LT1057 + LT1469 was very similar but better.

LT1057 + LT1358 This was a really strange combo. The sound was reeeally relaxed. I could easily fall asleep listening to this. It sounded like the music was playing in slow motion, had to check all of my settings in foobar to be sure that there wasn't something wrong. Not a harsh note found. The midrange was rather dry and soothing. It was hard to pinpoint what made the sound so slow, but it sounded like the music was "floating" on water. Every edge was softened.

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The focus of LT1057 in the dac is not air, details, and timber. This will be found elsewhere. It does have a nice clear midrange which works very well with ms2i and dt880. It was okey for dt990 also, but I think that I will find a better one with just a tad more bass control. I found every combination to be more or less to the warm side, with LT1361 the most neutral and LT1469/LT1358 the warmest.

LT1057 did not show a large amount of bass and it was not super tight. Only LT1469 did carry some bass weight.

The treble was not overpowering in any way. I can not say for sure if it's the LT1057 which have rather laid back hights, or if it was the op-amps used in the amps which held it back. Only LT1361 and LT1364 to some extent let the airy sparkly treble of the dt880 shine. DT990 did have the sparkle to some extent with every pair.

I would say that the LT1057 worked best with MS2i + bowls, it was not airy and clear enough for me to use flats.

I'm not sure if I've found the best combination for the beyers yet, not to say that it didn't sound good, but for the MS2i the LT1057 + LT1469 could very well come out high in the end.

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LT1057 + LT1469 will be in the zero for now, until I get the chance to try another one in the dac and make all comparisons again. The warmness of the combination might get me in the end and I might try to find a more neutral combination, but for now it will do.

LT1057 + LT1364 was the next best combination I think.

EDIT: The only combination I might use instead of the stock combination is LT1057+LT1469 due to it's euphoric and "fun" colored sound with good prat, in mostly all other aspecs, it is worse than stock. Stock is more airy and has better timber, better bass, more hights, larger headroom, better detail and more natural and neutral.
post #1307 of 9228
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Originally Posted by Allure View Post
What do you mean with "stock" ? The OPA2604 + JRC 5532 ?

Was it really better (even in detail ) than something like LT1364 + LT1469? That would be a little strange.
Don't forget we are talking about completely different headphones than anything before. This accounts for VAST amounts of changes.
post #1308 of 9228
I recently jumped on board and ordered one myself. I use an HD580 as my headphones. Penchum recommended me use LT1364 in DAC and LT1469 in the amp section (he recommended me use two, why?). Do any other HD580 owners have good combos? Personally I'd like very punchy bass.
post #1309 of 9228
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Originally Posted by Allure View Post
Penchum, you should try LT1364 + LME49720. In a headphone amp it's making my headphones sing like rarely happened.
That's a good idea. I'll have to get some.
post #1310 of 9228
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Originally Posted by Penchum View Post
Don't forget we are talking about completely different headphones than anything before. This accounts for VAST amounts of changes.
Hi Penchum,
Something I was wondering: I have the HD-280Pro for a couple of years now. Has I have the Zero now, I am hesitating to go for the HD-650. As you have both of them, could you give me your point of view: would it be a VAST amount of changes with the zero? I would only use the zero and it's amp.
post #1311 of 9228
Hi!

wich LME49720 should i order, LME49720HA, LME49720MA, LME49720NA ?
post #1312 of 9228
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Originally Posted by Allure View Post
What do you mean with "stock" ? The OPA2604 + JRC 5532 ?

Was it really better (even in detail ) than something like LT1364 + LT1469? That would be a little strange.
I mean that the stock (which is in the zero as default) was better than using LT1057 in the dac in almost all cases. I will try LT1364 in the dac later on. What LT1057 has which I find the stock to not have is the liquid midrange, which gives the euforic sound.
post #1313 of 9228
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Originally Posted by davve View Post
Hi!

wich LME49720 should i order, LME49720HA, LME49720MA, LME49720NA ?
LME49720NA because it's the only MDIP thus the only one fitting.
post #1314 of 9228
Thanks, how are the LME49720 in the dac?
post #1315 of 9228
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Originally Posted by davve View Post
Thanks, how are the LME49720 in the dac?
Very hifi sounding. Clear, detailed. I'm using right now in the dac line out to headfive. It is a sound I could live with. Crystal clear and airy. Must try it more to give more details. It is not bad sounding, thats for sure.
post #1316 of 9228
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Originally Posted by Fremen View Post
Hi Penchum,
Something I was wondering: I have the HD-280Pro for a couple of years now. Has I have the Zero now, I am hesitating to go for the HD-650. As you have both of them, could you give me your point of view: would it be a VAST amount of changes with the zero? I would only use the zero and it's amp.
Well, there is a vast amount of changes when you switch over from the HD-280pro to the HD-650 anyway, no matter what you are listening too. The difference between these two models is night and day. Listening to them amplified by the Zero will reveal large immediate improvements with the HD-650s. As a few weeks of listening goes by, even more improvements will reveal themselves. The HD-580, 600 and 650 are true top of the line performers. You would be buying better sound by default, plus comfort too. It really is one of the biggest improvements you can make with your money, IMHO. If you like the Sennheiser sound, you will love the HD-650, no doubt about it.
post #1317 of 9228
ok, i think i am ready to undertake a bit of modding

OPA627 seems to have a good reputation, however i see you use it in the DAC section and another opamp in the headphone section.

Since i only use it as a headphone amp, would changing the DAC section's opamp be of much use?
post #1318 of 9228
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Originally Posted by magnetiq View Post
ok, i think i am ready to undertake a bit of modding

OPA627 seems to have a good reputation, however i see you use it in the DAC section and another opamp in the headphone section.

Since i only use it as a headphone amp, would changing the DAC section's opamp be of much use?
I'll answer this, even though I'm not sure it was for me.
The Opamp in the DAC is very important for the built-in headphone amp. It is the first signal processing that happens, and is then routed to the headphone board for more, by the Opamps there. So, some "flavor" happens in the DAC and some "flavor" happens in the headphone amp. The final result is a mix of both "flavors". This is why testing is done to "combinations" of Opamps in both places. Does this help some?
post #1319 of 9228
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Originally Posted by souperman View Post
I recently jumped on board and ordered one myself. I use an HD580 as my headphones. Penchum recommended me use LT1364 in DAC and LT1469 in the amp section (he recommended me use two, why?). Do any other HD580 owners have good combos? Personally I'd like very punchy bass.
I'm pretty sure you got my PM, but I'll answer this to, so others can follow.
The LT1469's are dual, so one per socket. In the headphone board, there are two sockets, one for each channel (L & R). If this confuses anyone, please speak up. It is almost a twist on words.
post #1320 of 9228
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Originally Posted by Henmyr View Post
Just got the Zero.

First impression is that it sounds really good

One "problem" though, is it possible to lower the gain a bit by hand? As it is now, I have the volume as low as possible without the channel imbalance to kick in, and with the ms2i, the volume is now 70-75dB. I would rather have it so that I can listen at 55-60dB the lowest. This is with Zeros amp and dac.

EDIT: With the 32ohm dt990 05, the volume is about 78dB at the lowest possible.
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Originally Posted by Penchum View Post
Not that I know of, but can you back down the source? If not, maybe Lawrence can advise you on how to do it internally?
My phones are 40 Ohm and this is kinda putting me off I'm not sure if it would get bothersome for me in the long run, was thinking of hooking it up to the game console so won't be able to back down the source then..
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