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post #46 of 127
11/8/07 at 9:52pm
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Originally Posted by AS1 View Post
UPDATE:
linn: no results
Benchmark: no results
Stello: 1 result: Stello easily bested the Beresford
Meridian: no results

Still nothing that proves the Beresford is better or on par with the high-end.
Other links?
So how did you miss the Linn on http://www.hifiwigwam.com/forum7/12549-1.html
You didn't really look hard, did you?

Now about the Stello: I noticed your VERT selective clip. What about putting the whole comment instead?

A mate of mine bought one of these recently, and lugged it over this weekend for a listen.

Yup - £100 well spent.

We blind-tested it by obscuring the system and having him switch between Beresford and Stello.

Even his anti-audiophool GF easily spotted which was which - and the Stello easily bested the Beresford, but the Stello cost ~£1800 originally and I've upgraded it, but the Beresford did nothing nasty and was detailed and musical:if you weren't a bit OCD and really listening carefully, you'd not notice the difference.

A good VFM way to move from budget to mid-fi I reckon.


The rest is not hard to find. You just doing your utmost to defend your position in attacking another member on head-fi. I can't remember ever seeing that before. Being paid by a DAC manufacturer to take me out for highlighting how to get value for money?
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post #47 of 127
11/8/07 at 10:04pm
That's hilarious!

AS1 really has it in for you, Herandu.


EK
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post #48 of 127
11/9/07 at 12:53am
I just wanted to mention that my posts above about blind tests were not meant to say that I feel that anyone has to do a blind test to post their impressions. My main point was that Herandu's opinion is as valid as anyones since he is only giving his opinion, which is all anyone else is doing.

If I came onto this site and claimed that the Beresford is tons better than a Benchmark DAC, you may wonder how I came to that conclusion. If I said that I ran them both through a $20 boombox with one working speaker and the Beresford just sounded better, you may question the validity of my conclusion. It is still my perogative to have that opinion even if you think that my testing process was ruined by a "bottleneck". When using that perspective, you can see why I am interested in how someone came to their conclusions....especially if I am basing a purchase decision on that impression.

As it is, I think Herandu should continue to post his views because they are just as valid as anyones...it is his opinion and like everyone else, he is just giving you his impressions... It is up to you to decide how useful his opinions are...

This is my last post on DBT because it is taking the thread away from the real subject... The guys in the AVSforum thread give a guy that posted about the Beresford a hard time... Interesting.. I don't think it says anything about Herandu, but that's just me..
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post #49 of 127
11/9/07 at 3:32am
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Originally Posted by uofmtiger View Post
"A" was not always Entech or SRC2496 during the test. I switched them around... I may need to post the exact process I went through when creating the spreadsheets for the test, but in general, I tested each song individually for each attribute that I was interested in. For some songs A was Entech and for others it was SRC2496. I kept track on my sheet of which song had Entech as A and which song had Entech as B. At the end, I compiled the results comparing her results with my spreadsheet.
That's an interesting and valid test, if it's correctly equalized and both DACs were running on a "level field" scenario. My experience with reasonably competent components is much different and quite typical, according to the "guru" who had conducted many such tests in the past.
In light of the main "discussion" in this thread, I'd like to clarify that my posts here are only concerned with general test methods.
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post #50 of 127
11/9/07 at 5:14am
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Originally Posted by Herandu View Post
So how did you miss the Linn on http://www.hifiwigwam.com/forum7/12549-1.html
You didn't really look hard, did you?
I clearly said that I only looked at the last 10 pages
So we got someone who changed his Linn for a MK III, a MARK III !
The Mk5 already doesn't come close.
If one or two persons changed their high-end dacs for a Beresford, then that's like 5-10%. These persons were probably done with their audio hobby and chose to accept a cheap dac. Statistics will laugh at this.
So we got 90-95% who don't think the Beresford is better than the high-end.
What makes you think you should keep saying that the Beresford trashes other dacs??

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Originally Posted by Herandu View Post
Now about the Stello: I noticed your VERT selective clip. What about putting the whole comment instead?

A mate of mine bought one of these recently, and lugged it over this weekend for a listen.

Yup - £100 well spent.

We blind-tested it by obscuring the system and having him switch between Beresford and Stello.

Even his anti-audiophool GF easily spotted which was which - and the Stello easily bested the Beresford, but the Stello cost ~£1800 originally and I've upgraded it, but the Beresford did nothing nasty and was detailed and musical:if you weren't a bit OCD and really listening carefully, you'd not notice the difference.

A good VFM way to move from budget to mid-fi I reckon.
These comments are on hifi forums from people who are interested in audio.
It's not important if someone less/not interested would hardly hear differences.

You're desperately hanging on to a few straws here. I actually thought for a moment you had come to reason. I guess it's time wasted...
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post #51 of 127
11/9/07 at 6:07am
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Originally Posted by evilking View Post
That's hilarious!

AS1 really has it in for you, Herandu.


EK
Do you have anything constructive to add? Talking about pathetic...
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post #52 of 127
11/9/07 at 6:27am
Just how did this thread descend into a debate as to the validity of subjective views on the differences between kit?
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post #53 of 127
11/9/07 at 6:45am
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Originally Posted by Mr_Sukebe View Post
Just how did this thread descend into a debate as to the validity of subjective views on the differences between kit?
Herandu has repeatedly been doing absolute claims about the Beresford.
No one can ever do such statements. Such claims are impossible to proof.
Since Herandu kept on doing such claims I resorted to the subjective evidence, in the hope to get some sense out of him. It's a pitty that it's necessary, I agree.

Let me be clear. I have nothing against Herandu as a person. He seems a nice and funny guy. I think the words 'Herandu bashing' are actually out of place.
I'm only criticising his claims. And yes, I'm not sparing him on that matter...
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post #54 of 127
11/9/07 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by AS1 View Post
Herandu has repeatedly been doing absolute claims about the Beresford.
In your own reveiw that you linked, you said:
"The TC-7510 really does not compete with the high end." This is an absolute that you cannot prove without comparing it to every high end DAC on Earth. Read the forum for a while and you will see a lot of absolute claims that are "impossible to proof".
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post #55 of 127
11/9/07 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by uofmtiger View Post
In your own reveiw that you linked, you said:
"The TC-7510 really does not compete with the high end." This is an absolute that you cannot prove without comparing it to every high end DAC on Earth. Read the forum for a while and you will see a lot of absolute claims that are "impossible to proof".
I'm not going to explain the difference between unfounded and unrealistic claims and opinions based on the info and experiences available.
This thread has been going on long enough. People now have plenty of info on this matter all put together, so they can draw their own conclusions. I'm done with it.
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post #56 of 127
11/9/07 at 12:52pm
Edit: This is my entry into this bier patch.

The TC-7510 is worth every penny that I spend on it for the additional quality of sound I get out of my Squeezebox. BUT...I don't think it comes up to my Lavry DA10 in absolute sound quality. Given my preferences, I would get another DA10 but I just did not want to spend another ~800$ on top of the 190$ I spent for the MK6/3. Some day I may. The TC-7510 is very good but others are better.

The problem gets back to how much do we make of the differences in equipment? And are those differences more preference related than quality related in general.
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post #57 of 127
11/9/07 at 3:19pm
For what it's worth - I had a Paradisea+ and a MarkIV. As much as I liked the quality components and the slightly warmer mids of the Paradisea(the MarkIV had more air and slightly better detail though) I could not justify the extra $400(plus tubes) that it cost me and I ended up selling it and keeping the MarkIV.
What's more the Beresford has more inputs, a head amp and can be left on all the time(no tubes).
I just recently picked up a small linear PS for the MarkIV which improved it by another notch.
However it would be nice if Herandu commented on other DACs besides the Beresford - it would definitely give him more credibility. It would also be nice if modifications were explained in this forum for beginner DIYers who wish to improve their DAC
PS - I live in Canada and have no affiliation with Stanley (or Herandu)
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post #58 of 127
11/9/07 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by Herandu View Post
A mate of mine bought one of these recently, and lugged it over this weekend for a listen.

Yup - £100 well spent.

We blind-tested it by obscuring the system and having him switch between Beresford and Stello.

Even his anti-audiophool GF easily spotted which was which - and the Stello easily bested the Beresford, but the Stello cost ~£1800 originally and I've upgraded it, but the Beresford did nothing nasty and was detailed and musical:if you weren't a bit OCD and really listening carefully, you'd not notice the difference.

A good VFM way to move from budget to mid-fi I reckon.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but weren't you saying that the Beresford was better than Stello? Maybe you should post some tests that show results of the Beresford being better than the Stello; not tests that only say the Beresford is a good value. Otherwise, you're not proving anything.
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post #59 of 127
11/10/07 at 7:11am

Finally, a "real" customer tells his story

As far as I can tell, there are at least two important questions debated here and over at Avsforum:
- Are the people recommending this DAC real, unbiased customers
- How does it measure up to other DACs, especially high-end ones

I'm from Norway and I spent a lot of time researching which DAC I should buy to upgrade my modest but very musical system (Klipsch RF-52 speakers, Marantz PM7200 amplifier [2x25W class A mode], a heavily modded Audio Alchemy 1.1 DAC and Pioneer 575 DVD-player).

I finally decided to give the Beresford a try, being relatively cheap, having four inputs and getting a lot of positive feedback.

My experiences so far:
- The match with the rest of my system was a real good one. The sound quality was improved from bass to treble, soundstage and presence.
- The service and follow-up offered by Beresford is really great. I've just sent mine back for upgrading, and can't wait to get it back.

I had the opportunity to try out the Shanling DAC1 as well. In my system, it just wasn't the right one, but in my friend's tube amp setup it worked wonders. To me, that just proved how important matching is, and that putting one higher end component into a system doesn't automatically improve the overall performance.
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post #60 of 127
11/10/07 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by vidarm View Post
As far as I can tell, there are at least two important questions debated here and over at Avsforum:
- Are the people recommending this DAC real, unbiased customers
- How does it measure up to other DACs, especially high-end ones

I'm from Norway and I spent a lot of time researching which DAC I should buy to upgrade my modest but very musical system (Klipsch RF-52 speakers, Marantz PM7200 amplifier [2x25W class A mode], a heavily modded Audio Alchemy 1.1 DAC and Pioneer 575 DVD-player).

I finally decided to give the Beresford a try, being relatively cheap, having four inputs and getting a lot of positive feedback.

My experiences so far:
- The match with the rest of my system was a real good one. The sound quality was improved from bass to treble, soundstage and presence.
- The service and follow-up offered by Beresford is really great. I've just sent mine back for upgrading, and can't wait to get it back.

I had the opportunity to try out the Shanling DAC1 as well. In my system, it just wasn't the right one, but in my friend's tube amp setup it worked wonders. To me, that just proved how important matching is, and that putting one higher end component into a system doesn't automatically improve the overall performance.

I actually gave some first impressions in post 42...but no-one seems interested in doing anything but arguing when it comes to the Beresford. To update I've switched back to the Beresford and if it continues to improve i'll continue using it...it's a bit of a grower as it settles down.
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